Sometimes I wish there were. Mods for like, +1 JOECAM or -1 Madpride.

Why didn't they survey the control group in the same way as the variable?

Half of Americans believe in angels

Half of all Americans believe they are protected by guardian angels, one-fifth say they’ve heard God speak to them, one-quarter say they have witnessed miraculous healings, 16 percent say they’ve received one and 8 percent say they pray in tongues

How about this as a statistic:

Half of the world thinks 1234 and 2345 are bigoted, closet-homosexual idiots.


I assure you, the P values for this survey are true

I have always hated these "surveys", because they pick a stereotypical set of questions on issues that the authors know are prevalent in the society from which these immigrants came, and then they cherrypick to inflame differences, and incite anger.

They did the same thing with the last ethnic group to immigrate en masse, and the group before that, and the one before that, etc etc etc.

EXTRA!! EXTRA!! PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE WORLD AND BELIEVE IN DIFFERENT THINGS THAN YOU!!! BUY MY PAPER NOW, AND YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT!!!

Fun fact: ask a third-generation Brit of Indian/Jamaican/other colonial descent what they feel about the "issues" British people made such a huge deal about 20 years ago, and you find they line up exactly with the rest of "mainstream" British society. The kids of these people will, in large part, fall directly in line with the beliefs of mainstream western society, and the generation after that will sweep up the rest.

Why? Because McDonalds, Rock Music, Facebook, and Apple electronic shit is fucking addictive, and while you might be able to resist its siren call if you get dropped into the middle of it after spending your childhood being indoctrinated on the evils and temptations of the west, being surrounded by it from the day you are born means eventually your ass will assimilate, even if you have to split from your traditional-minded parents to do so.

Its the same thing in America- Every decade or three, a new wave of immigrants start coming over, and Americans shit themselves because they don't understand the new folks entering their society- Mid-East peoples, Mexicans, Italians, Irish, African-Americans, Jews, Muslims, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indians, etc- if you go back far enough, all of them have been treated like shit at some point (some for longer than others), and all without cause. And, within a generation or two, the money, Big Macs, Beyonce, and 24/7 coverage of which Kardashian is currently taking a shit turn them into Americans, for better or for worse, and the only time someone remembers that they're "different" is when some idiot bigot points out the fact that their melatonin levels are different, or that the person's hair grows tighter and curlier than the bigot's pea-sized brain can comprehend.

Bigger picture thinking is important.

It's actually like exactly how you're not suppose to create surveys and it's ethically dubious.
Yet here we are.

"They did the same thing with the last ethnic group to immigrate en masse, and the group before that, and the one before that, etc etc etc."

Yeah good point. In fact, when you think back, it’s easy to remember a day when they said that irate Buddhists were going to murder 130 people at a metal show in Paris, or some Poles would kill 777 schoolchildren in North Ossetia, or Anglicans would fly planes into office towers killing thousands...

Now we just look back at all that shit and laugh.

You mean these Buddhists?

http://www.fairobserver.com/region/asia_pacific/is-buddhist-militancy-the-next-wave-of-global-terrorism-76334/

You do know that Buddhists are wreaking fucking havoc in Asia, right?

By Anglican I assume you really mean "churches that follow christ", so I am going to assume you really have no idea about history, because Christianity in general ain't exactly known for being peaceful to anyone, including other branches of Christianity- For more recent examples, please see the History of Ireland in the 20th century. Plus, if you wanted to get REALLY picky, you could make a very good argument that Anglican morals and beliefs were behind British Colonialism, which would make the church responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people, and that is being REALLY conservative.

Or, you could just implicate the Anglican church in the Rwandan Genocide:

https://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/dojustice/j245.html

And the poles.... well, you got me there; I got nothing. I'll just have to settle for massacres perpetrated by essentially every single other religion and ethnic group in existence.

You’re going to have to try a little harder to contribute to coherent conversation, which may require more than just using the pull-down menus and then serving up a Dadist assortment of “crimes” – some imaginary, some not, but none relevant to the discussion.

Your initial post suggesd we demonize each wave of newcomers – hence my using your quote:

"They did the same thing with the last ethnic group to immigrate en masse, and the group before that, and the one before that, etc etc etc."

The “crimes” you site are irrelevant to that assertion. Buddhists in France and the US, England and Canada, are quiet as church mice. Ditto Christians. The Buddhist article is totally out of context, and cranky though those monks can be, they don’t fly jets into skyscrapers, and they aren’t about to start.

British Colonialism saved millions of lives, played a unique, lasting and valiant role in stopping slavery – the greatest civilizational accomplishment of humanity to date. (BTW - The Muslims’ affection for that trade is long and sordid and continues to this day – Muhammad loved slavery, and his followers are nothing if not good at emulating the behaviour of the Last and Greatest Prophet - PBUH).

The best of course is “the Anglican Complicity in the Genocide in Rwanda” – that’s a piss and a half. No wonder you saved that for last

Tell you what: you find me the full text of a peer reviewed scientific study showing similar results and give me a couple days to run it past someone who understands statistics enough to tell me how bullshit their methodology is and I'll consider taking this seriously.

Because right now all you have is the story of some folks making a documentary about how scary Muslims are managing to get a couple hundred Muslims to agree with some scary statements. Kind of like that time that eminent sociologist Borat Sagdiyev studied a representative sample of Americans and found that a majority of them wanted to throw the Jew down the well.

“all you have is the story of some folks making a documentary”

No, that is not, “all I have”.

Far from it.

"give me a couple days to run it past someone who understands statistics enough to tell me how bullshit their methodology is"

No need to bother the teaching assistant who rents downstairs, because the following news organizations have no problem with the survey:

The Guardian

The Independent

The Times

etc.

etc

(Of course, I’m sure the guy in 1B knows a lot of secret shit these papers are covering up.)

Pew has been polling the same numbers for years.

There’s nothing new here.

Google it.

OK, let me google it for 20 seconds. Oh look:

Here's the data of the full report:
http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf

Basic faults of the report: https://reportuk.org/2016/04/11/channel-4-british-muslims-poll-called-skewed-for-targeting-conservative-areas-with-20-muslims/

* only speaking to those in poorer areas with a high Muslim population, who critics claim are more likely to be conservative.

* ICM... admitted that including areas with lower concentration of Muslims would have given a “subjective, better figure”.

*... within the budget ... the survey was ... “as rigorous as we think is possible within the parameters of realistic time and budget considerations.”

* “Nobody’s claiming that this is perfection, no survey ever has been or ever will be,” they added.

Critique of the report: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9666

"So overall, we have a picture of a British Muslim community that identifies with Britain. It has views that that are much more socially conservative than Britain in general, particularly on homosexuality. The overwhelming majority of British Muslims condemn terrorism and ISIS, but a tiny minority do not. There is nothing here that is a huge surprise, but it has been a long time since we’ve had any hard data to back it up with. In terms of the way the poll was done, remember that the sampling did only cover areas with a comparatively high Muslim population. It’s not as crude as picking by local authority – taking LSOAs means it will include pockets of Muslims people across the country. It doesn’t cover the 49% of Muslims who live in areas that are less than 20% Muslim though, where I think it likely British Muslims are more integrated and have more in similar with their non-Muslim neighbours. Even if that does make a difference though, and views of other British Muslims are less distinct from the rest of British society, this poll should give us a good guide to the 50% of British Muslims who live in areas with a comparatively high Muslim population.

20 seconds? That sounds about right.

If you had read your own source for a full minute (I know reading is hard) you would have read this:

It’s probably the best attempt to poll British Muslims properly that we’ve seen for several years and, given no one is waiting around the corner with a cheque for a million quid to do a more elaborately sampled poll than ICM’s, I think we should probably take this one seriously, but having due regard for the limitations of the sample.

Now all you and the other denialists here need to do is take the advice outlined, and “take this one seriously.”

Thanks for the link.

Are those the same news organizations that give equal air time to climate change deniers? I'm sure they are far more interested in journalistic integrity than ad revenue.

Edit: autocorrect fail

OK then. The full text is right here...The link is just waiting for you (thank you lilmookieesquire)

http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf

So why the radio silence?

Hellooooo?

The way work is going this week it'll probably be Saturday afternoon before I can spare the time and attention span necessary for critical reading on an unfamiliar topic. Whether or not I'll actually bother to do it just to satisfy a tedious Internet troll remains to be seen, but sure, I'll try to take a look at it.

Spare your precious attention span. Instead employ those scarce resources on reading this thread, because as close as you are ever going to come to a “full text of a peer reviewed scientific study” is linked right here. No need to bother the TA downstairs.

Anthony Wells vetted the study and concluded its “the best attempt to poll Muslims properly” – which puts the lie to your kneejerk, silly and demonstrably false assertion that its " a story of some folks making a documentary about how scary Muslims are managing to get a couple hundred Muslims to agree with some scary statements”.

So unless the TA in the basement has a better CV than Mr. Wells (cited below), you’re wrong, and we’re done.

Have a pleasant weekend.

Anthony Wells

Director of YouGov's political and social opinion polling and currently runs their media polling operation for the Sun and Sunday Times.
Anthony also runs the UKPollingReport website; an independent blog on opinion polling that was one of the most popular blogs during the 2010 election and is a widely used source for academics and journalists.
Prior to joining YouGov in 2005 he worked in the Leader of the Opposition’s Office for William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Howard. He holds a degree in British Politics and Legislative Studies from the University of Hull.

Big woop. That's 2.2% of the population.

I wonder what percentage of American Christians would hold a similar view.
I think it's fair to say that any form of discrimination or unequal protection is tantamount to being outlawed.

And you would not be the one posting about it on this site, because you only post bad things about Muslims (even ignoring terrorists attacks by Muslims on other Muslims, since that might engender sympathy for some Muslims at the expense of hatred for all of them) in order to either troll or promote some sort of bitter agenda, which is the real reason for the response you are seeing. You know that.

You might have a valid point here except for the fact that British Muslims are a small, marginalized segment of the population who are unlikely to have much influence on actual policy. American Christians on the other hand...

Hahahahaahaha

2016.

"Major Ink".

Hahahaaahahahahahahaha

Anyway, I'm going into denial mode now to defend myself from the irrefutably valid logic. Then I'm going to go outside and get offended about something insignificant and then yell at a young American child for not being LGBT and write about my harrowing experience on my tumblr.

GOOD DAY SIR! GOOD DAY!

I'd question that it was that high. Being religious doesn't correlate with being an asshole as much as area/education might.

"stats" like these tend to be politically motivated and dubious.

These surveys in particular typically have a hypothesis in mind and massage the data to get what they want. That's okay if you're selling German dish soap in Japan, but not so much in politics/social-engineering.

In particular it's an important part of Koch machinery (they were both trained engineers) (maybe not this particular case, but it's a great general example) that then get echoed from think tanks, "media" outlets, and actual-real-not-paid-Internet-shills-that-are-totally-just-like-you, so little Johnny Libertarian can tell us all how math doesn't lie and tell everyone how the muzzos hate the gays and not deporting muzzos makes liberals Hippocrates*.

So I wanted to thank you being the guiding light of common sense to the lost sheeple of SE.

May the invisible of the free market guide us all into conservative salvation.

*and/or hypocrites

Oh for fuck's sake, could you just take a moment to take your head out of your ass and check out the 10 countries that have the death penalty for gays:

Yemen
Iran
Iraq
Mauritania
Nigeria
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Sudan
United Arab Emirates

(And please, for once, let’s not have some undergrad wunderkind start with the “correlation doesn’t mean causation” nonsense.)

Thank you.

While I assure you my head is firmly stuck up my own ass, thank you, the list doesn't bother me.

Executing children until 2005: United States, that bothers me. Because we were/are a Super Power.

And also, if you are defending your position with a survey and statistics drawn up from it, you really really really should not be saying “correlation doesn’t mean causation” nonsense."

And since you seem fascinated by undergraduate statistics/Market Research:

"When choosing words, keep in mind that the average person in the United States has a high school, not a college, education. For certain respondent groups, the education level is even lower." - Market Research: An Applied Orientation

Also, but I'd pay good clean money to see you and Sanepride wrestle naked covered in olive oil.

I'd be happy to set up a GoFundMe/Kickstarter for it.

Just PM me. I can set this up.

I have $500 to throw on this.

No joke.

That's adorable, kid. Now run along back to 4chan, mmkay?

Half of American Christians say gays should be outlawed

quote [ ICM conducted face-to-face, at-home interviews with a representative sample of 1,000 Christians across the US between 25 April and 31 May 2015. A control sample of 1,008 people representative of the country as a whole were interviewed over the phone to provide a comparison.

The polling was commissioned by Channel 4 for a documentary, What American Christians Really Think, which is due to be broadcast on Wednesday presented by Phillips. ]

Stop persecuting us! This is a war on religion!!!

I knew who posted this just by the post title.

I am not surprised. You go to Jamaica you find a bunch of homophobes too that will straight up beat your ass for "acting gay". I have no doubt that polling Catholics in the UK, or Italy, or Spain (France is a bit more liberal, so less sure) you'd get similar results. Hate breeds hate, and teaching to hate one group because they are "not you" results in this kind of attitude.

But this survey is a year old, so why exactly are you bringing this to our collective attention? Did they UK pass any sweeping anti-LGBTQ legislation recently in response to this survey? Anything at all tying it to current events?

"But this survey is a year old, so why exactly are you bringing this to our collective attention?"

The story was covered today/yesterday (The Times, Guardian, Independent, etc.) - that much coverage got my attention and I, like them, thought is was an important story. It may also, I think, be synced up with Trevor Phillips and his work with the BBC covering multicultural issues - which I believe has another instalment airing shortly.

Fair enough.