Thursday, 20 March 2014

Phelps DEAD!

quote [ Fred Phelps -- the founding pastor of a Kansas church known for its virulently anti-gay protests at public events, including military funerals -- has died, the church said Thursday. ]

Hope the fucker suffered

I wonder if his god turned out to be gay?

In case you didn't know - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3GwjfUFyY6M
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[by De_Wr0ng@5:34pmGMT]

Comments

Resurrected Morris said @ 5:54pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:2 Underrated]
God hates Freds
AssBastard said @ 2:23am GMT on 21st Mar [Score:2 Funny]
"The WBC not wanting people to picket ol' Fred's funeral is not a hypocritical move, it's a parking issue." -- Friend on facebook
KingPellinore said @ 5:36pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Insightful]
Can we get this to +10 Troll?
Tirade said @ 6:22pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Underrated]
Honestly, I'm not going to bother joining in with the celebration. It's what he and his hate-filled )*&%ed up ilk would have wanted. I'm just going to go about my life, same as I did before he died.
Dumbledorito said @ 6:40pm GMT on 20th Mar
What I find interesting is that their hateful views overshadow the fact that they've basically made suing people their primary religious tenet.

It's also a kind of study to see if a religious movement, even one this small, can be structured to survive the death of its leader. I'll be interested to see how the 700 Club and Chick Publications can do when their figureheads eventually pass on.
Ankylosaur said @ 7:35pm GMT on 20th Mar
They're making a movie version of Chick's famous anti-RPG tract Dark Dungeons.
Ankylosaur said @ 7:36pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Funny]
Wait, where did I learn about this again...?
Dumbledorito said @ 8:02pm GMT on 20th Mar
Yep. It'd be nice if that was his only legacy, but I wonder if his tracts will become nostalgia collectibles or continue publication for the next hundred years or what?
bltrocker said @ 6:47pm GMT on 20th Mar
Might actually be worth celebrating his existence. He was one of the people that galvanized people against him. Making him the other probably caused a lot of people to become more active in the fight for civil rights, maybe even helped turn a few people from bigotry. Phelps himself was a great civil rights lawyer in the 60s. I don't know if something snapped in his brain, or if he truly believed that there is a difference so large between blacks and gays that you would hate one and love the other.

What was the price of all this good? I mean, he had a few inbred lawyer kids and nephews sitting in his big ass house on Sundays. They disrespected some families. They espoused hyperbolic hate (I personally think the phrase "fag-enabler" is hilarious because it's so silly). They sued people to stay open. At worst, I think it's a wash.
Bob Denver said @ 7:21pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Interesting]
I suspect a judge made a pass at him, suggesting that "it would be a good 'career move'".
Naruki said @ 2:54am GMT on 21st Mar
They sued people. Good people, most likely. And stole their money.

That is not balancing the scales.
bltrocker said @ 5:13am GMT on 21st Mar
Not that I don't believe you, but citation? As far as I know, they usually sued larger entities like the city of Topeka for not providing them enough protection during demonstrations.
Dumbledorito said @ 5:30am GMT on 21st Mar
From Nate Phelps, during his Reddit AMA:

"The lawsuits happen. Their lawyers, their litigious as hell. But the lawsuits are only there as a way to intimidate and protect themselves. They sincerely believe what they are preaching. Well my father sincerely believes it...my siblings have been told to believe it. I see a difference."

When asked how much they get from the lawsuits, the answer was:

"Not that much. The bulk of the money they use to travel around and picket comes from the 30% tithe they are required to give to the church. Remember this is tax free money. I've roughed out the numbers before after I learned about this from a nephew that left and it fits the $250 to $300 thousand dollars they say they spend each year.

That number has dropped precipitously in the last year or so though. I'm not sure why or what, but something major has changed recently."


According to Nate, the tithing comes from the work the family law office does.
bltrocker said @ 7:13am GMT on 21st Mar
Thanks, but I'm more looking for some case summaries that describe the suing of good people.
Dumbledorito said @ 9:30am GMT on 21st Mar [Score:1 Informative]
Finding the case summaries is difficult, as not all of that is online, it seems. I've got some media reports, though:

One example was the supreme court case where a guy they picketed sued to stop them from protesting at funerals. He lost, was ordered to pay $16k in court costs to WBC, and the WBC started a suit against him for $100k.

And here's the Southern Poverty Law centers timeline through 2001 for Fred and his firm/church, which includes many of their suits.
bltrocker said @ 2:45pm GMT on 21st Mar
Yeah. That's basically the same stuff I've found. I don't find it to be very damning when the only high profile case that we found could be argued that the church is just defending itself.
Dumbledorito said @ 2:47pm GMT on 21st Mar
"Before the end of his legal career in 1989, Phelps will file some 400 suits, mostly in federal court. Estranged son Nathan Phelps will claim later that part of his father's strategy is to file frivolous lawsuits in the hope that his targets will settle to avoid the costs of defense."
bltrocker said @ 5:01pm GMT on 21st Mar
As far as I have found, there are no specific cases easily found, he lost almost all of his frivolous lawsuits, and got disbarred.
Dumbledorito said @ 2:56am GMT on 22nd Mar
Can you find records of those frivolous lawsuits? I'd wager you can't. Does that mean they don't exist?

The problem is they won in the supreme court to picket funerals, and that dominates search results. After they won, they made news everywhere by doing next to nothing but sue state governments and officials over anti-picketing laws. Then there's the problem of where his previous suits were filed and under what name. I find bits and pieces under "Fred Phelps," "Fred W. Phelps," "Westboro Baptist," "Westboro Baptist Church," "Westboro Baptist Church, Inc." and so on, but only from about 2003 forward. Nobody has gone and compiled them in a form that I can search with just Google, or the results from the supreme court completely overshadow any other results. From what his estranged son says as well as other accounts, I don't doubt that punitive lawsuits from the WBC exist, but they came about before court records were being digitized, and I neither have access to the Lexus-Nexus law database nor the inclination to drive to Topeka and look at everything in the City Hall.

You might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but their tactics and track record (that's available) indicates to me they'd sue anyone they thought they could win against if they successfully provoked a confrontation.
seneschal said @ 6:56pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Good]
Good. I'm glad he's dead. I wish he could die more times. I begrudge him the time he had.
midden said @ 12:25am GMT on 24th Mar [Score:1 Insightful]
The thumb pic tweakes a little pet peev of mine. If you fall in lava, you'll mostly just sit on top and burn. Most lava is more than three times denser than water and several hundred thousand times more viscous. If you manage to stay upright for a while, say half an hour or so, you would sink up to your mid thighs and stop. The mass of the lava displaced by your feet, calves, knees and lower thighs would equal the rest of your body mass above the surface. The glowing, flowing lava you see is 1300 to 2200 degrees F, though, so not much of you is actually going to last long enough to sink even that far. Cremation is usually done at the low end of that range, and gas is a much poorer conductor of heat than liquid stone. Ok. End of pedantic rant.
ept said @ 7:55am GMT on 24th Mar [Score:1 Insightful]
To be fair, Phelps was pretty dense.
Dumbledorito said @ 5:16am GMT on 24th Mar
Much like with creationism, the assumed behavior of lava with physical objects was based on supposition and not a lot of actual data, even when one's religion involved tossing virgins into volcanoes. By the time people who measured things and wrote things down got involved, the tropes were established.

Besides, it's not like the opposite isn't believed. Walking on water, indeed...
azazel said @ 5:14pm GMT on 20th Mar
As Tennyson put it in The Vision of Sin:Every moment dies an asshole
Every moment one is born.
azazel said @ 5:15pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Funny]
Okay, so blockquote isn't supported. MESSING UP MY POETRY. Thank you, SE.
fishhat said @ 6:02pm GMT on 20th Mar
What, really?

Rather than beep
Or a rude error message:
These words: "File Not Found".

Errors have occurred.
We won't tell you where or why -
Lazy programmers!


fishhat said @ 6:03pm GMT on 20th Mar
Yes, really. That's bad and wrong.

Steele, have you been parsing HTML with regex? Bad steele.
fishhat said @ 4:07pm GMT on 21st Mar
Just to be clear: that 'Lazy programmers' stuff is not meant as a dig at steele, just some copypasta to test the blockquote behavior.
Dumbledorito said @ 5:46pm GMT on 20th Mar
"A church statement said March 16 that "membership issues are private" and that eight unnamed elders lead the congregation."

I imagine a bunch of people in hooded robes made out of bedsheets with denim overalls worn over them.
cb361 said @ 6:11pm GMT on 20th Mar [Score:1 Funny]
I imagine a church with just eight members.
De_Wr0ng said @ 5:56pm GMT on 20th Mar
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:08pm GMT on 20th Mar
+10 troll
sanepride said @ 9:07pm GMT on 20th Mar
Just want to point out that while Phelps and his little inbred church are obviously assclowns, their tactics are so ludicrously extreme that they are mere spectacle, with zero influence whatsoever over the ongoing actual discrimination of LGBT folks in the USA.
As pointed out in a previous thread, it's the mainstream conservatives (and the official Republican party platform)- the ones who say 'I don't hate homosexuals, some of my best friends are...' that are truly worthy of contempt.
seneschal said @ 9:34pm GMT on 20th Mar
I agree that mainstream conservative homophobes deserve contempt. I respectfully disagree that Phelps and crew had no influence.
ENZ said @ 9:59pm GMT on 20th Mar
The WBC has this bizarre belief that anything horrible or tragic that happens, death especially, is all the work of an angry god punishing those around them for some kind of misdeed. Soldiers die in Iraq? It's because the US doesn't execute the gays. People die in a hurricane? It's because the US doesn't execute the gays. Kids die in a school shooting? It's because the US doesn't execute the gays. So on and on and on...

I wonder how they're rationalizing his death? Are they applying their same toxic ideology to themselves? Or are they hypocritically brushing it aside as some old fart just dying? They don't seem to be propping him up as a martyr, that's for sure.
sanepride said @ 11:47pm GMT on 20th Mar
Not to ascribe too much logic to these assholes, but dying of natural causes at 84 doesn't really qualify as 'horrible or tragic'. We all die sometime after all.
ENZ said @ 1:32am GMT on 21st Mar
If he was truly one of God's Chosen he would have lived to 1,000 like people supposedly did in the Old Testament.
ept said @ 10:09am GMT on 21st Mar [Score:1 Interesting]
Those ages in the old testament? Divide them by lunar cycles instead of solar cycles and you get quite normal elderly ages. 1000 'age units' / 12.3 lunar months in a year = ~81 years. That's a good innings.
ENZ said @ 10:08pm GMT on 21st Mar
While that certainly makes sense, looking at the wiki page of that Methuselah feller says that this would mean Enoch, his father sired him when he was 5.
mechanical contrivance said @ 12:23am GMT on 22nd Mar
No one ever said the bible made sense.
HoZay said @ 4:38am GMT on 22nd Mar
ithaqua10 said @ 1:01am GMT on 21st Mar
tl;dr Will WBC protest at Fred Phelps funeral?
Leezurd said @ 6:06am GMT on 21st Mar
...sorry. Couldn't help it...
ComposerNate said @ 8:58am GMT on 21st Mar
He spent his life hurting for dick, forever hungry, aching unsatisfied. Little wonder he was so angry, felt his God hated him.
ept said @ 10:06am GMT on 21st Mar
If there's any justice in the world, Fred Phelps is now just a carcass rotting in the ground.
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:18pm GMT on 21st Mar [Score:1 Underrated]
Good news! There is no afterlife!
cb361 said @ 10:42am GMT on 21st Mar
I think we all are. In the long run.
midden said @ 1:26am GMT on 24th Mar
If there is justice, he is in heaven. God let him in and forgave him for all the evil shit he did, and made it very clear how incredibly wrong he had been all along. "No, Fred, the only Hell is the one you put yourself in. But the fact is that you have to stay here for all eternity with all these good homosexual folks as your equals."
ENZ said @ 5:23am GMT on 25th Mar
So, I don't know if anyone watched Rick and Morty on Adult Swim, but this just aired tonight.


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