Friday, 10 February 2017

What Developmental Milestones Are You Missing?

quote [ So getting back to David Chapman: his post is mostly about Robert Kegan’s account of “stages of moral development”. I didn’t get much from Kegan himself, but I was fascinated by an idea just sort of dropped into the middle of the discussion: that less than half of the people in modern western countries had attained Kegan’s fourth stage, and only a small handful attained his fifth. This was a way of thinking about development that I’d never heard before. ]

While there is politics mentioned in this, it is really more about the science of mental development and how we all may be missing pieces of it (and not even know it).
[SFW] [science & technology] [+6 Interesting]
[by takajou@1:10amGMT]

Comments

steele said @ 1:55am GMT on 10th Feb [Score:1 Interesting]
Realizing the voice(s) in my head weren't necessarily something I had to agree with were a major flash of insight for me and definitely a major milestone in my personal growth. I like when I come across something that makes me realize I haven't been focusing on that. Like Pratchett's First, Second, And Third thoughts.

"First Thoughts are the everyday thoughts. Everyone has those. Second Thoughts are the thoughts you think about the way you think. People who enjoy thinking have those. Third Thoughts are thoughts that watch the world and think all by themselves. They’re rare, and often troublesome. Listening to them is part of witchcraft."
sanepride said @ 4:37am GMT on 10th Feb
Hmmmm. If I didn't know better it sounds like you're talking about something like free will.
steele said[1] @ 7:37am GMT on 10th Feb [Score:1 Informative]
Understanding how that worked was a milestone too.
sanepride said @ 8:28am GMT on 10th Feb
...or didn't work?
steele said @ 8:58am GMT on 10th Feb [Score:1 Interesting]
Looping a stream of falling dominoes back on itself is still a stream of falling dominoes.
bobolink said @ 2:53am GMT on 10th Feb
According to Piaget 60% of college students never reach the level of abstract thought. The pieces we are, or may be missing depress the hell out of me. On the other hand, I was talking with a friend the other day who had worked with a four year old savant. The child was writing out the alphabet on a sheet of paper. Below that he was writing the Hebrew alphabet. And below that were a series of symbols my friend did not recognize. When asked about them, the child replied that that was his alphabet. I imagine there are processes of mental development in that child that could never be within the range of my experience, but I'm okay with that.
LurkerAtTheGate said @ 4:39am GMT on 10th Feb
My formal education included philosphy but no psychology other than my own mostly casual research. Interesting to see developmental stages clearly defined. I had a sense of all of the stages of development or orders of consciousness, and could come up with an incomplete list of qualities for them. Not sure if it is depressing or not knowing people, especially close family, that lag considerably behind -- my father is a narcissist stuck on self-interest, mother firmly at communal/interpersonal.

I have wondered what impact current technology is having on current generations development -- I am a millennial, and it seems like most of my peers struggle with the transition from interpersonal to institutional, but of those that made it many have transitioned beyond with an awkward number stuck between in a kind of benign nihilism.
rhesusmonkey said @ 5:41am GMT on 10th Feb
I don't understand all the references or language specifics, but his list of "you may think / perceive things differently" checked all my boxes. If anything the thing I didn't learn was empathy, or put differently I learned to suppress it and just view other people as occasionally useful meat sacks. Perhaps they are related. And not to get uppity or snide but part of that cognitive reasoning behind viewing something from another's perspective is one of the primary things that drove me away from religion, because, if you can rationalize that people from other faiths are as committed as you are to your own, then you realize you can't possibly *both* be right, and therefore most likely you are *both* wrong, and your beliefs are groundless.

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