Monday, 20 June 2016

I Was A Professional 9/11 Truther (And I Gave It Up)

quote [ All The Experts In The World Don't Compare To A Grieving Mother ]
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[by Morris Forgot his Password @2:38pmGMT]

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SnappyNipples said[1] @ 11:11pm GMT on 20th Jun [Score:5 Funny]


I'm going to hell.
midden said @ 12:05am GMT on 21st Jun
I like to think of myself as a good, kind, liberal, open minded, progressive sort of guy. But that is still funny as fuck.
midden said @ 9:36pm GMT on 20th Jun [Score:2]
I have to admit that for a few months, maybe up until November or December, I was doing a lot of online research into large scale engineering and demolition. I have some professional experience in much smaller scale engineering, as in from a few 1000ths of an inch up to a few meters (I know, mixing measuring systems), and 9/11 looked way too much like a professional job. The fact is that no one had ever seen anything quite on the scale of the collapse of the Twin Towers (although close, within an order of magnitude). It was just way too perfect.

One of my design/engineering heroes is Henry Petroski, author of such wonderful books as To Engineer Is Human and The Evolution of Useful Things, both of which I highly recommend. And The Pencil. It's a great book about the history of the humble pencil, and it's absolutely fascinating. Trust me.

Anyway, one of the principles he frequently explores is the way that engineering solutions only scale up so far, before they begin to fail catastrophically. In the early days, "just do it the same way as worked before, but do it bigger this time" worked fine. At some point the growing disparity between the increase in cross section vs the increase in volume/mass (squared vs cubed) is insurmountable. Thus, no 12 foot tall humans: 4 times the bone cross section, 16 times the mass it has to support just isn't going to work.

My point being: that much mass is going to fall straight fucking down. Any moderately uniform failure perpendicular to gravity in a structure that ridiculously huge is going to result in unstoppable vertical pancaking.

I can totally understand how human minds want to see such an event as having to have been carefully planned, engineered and executed, but our human brains just are not adapted to easily think on such vast scales and masses, any more than we can think about quantum interactions with any kind of common sense.

I'm not sure exactly where I was going with this. Maybe just to say that I have some sympathy for the 9/11 Truthers. But only so far. Just like I can accept the wacky behavior of the two slits experiment, I can accept that skyscrapers can be destroyed by a couple dozen fanatics in passenger jets. We can not be experts at everything, and at some point, we have to accept the professional opinions of experts if our complex society is going to function. Of course, experts with a long track record of being correct are to be taken far more seriously than those who crawl out of the woodwork whenever there's some new mass-media event slobbering for sound bites anywhere it can find them.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 10:28pm GMT on 20th Jun
It sounds like the engineering scales are like trying to convince a skeptic that a rocket's trajectory isn't going to be straight up.
midden said @ 11:04pm GMT on 20th Jun
Well, you'd have to deal with the whole spinning, spherical Earth thing, and it's so obviously flat.
SnappyNipples said @ 11:13pm GMT on 20th Jun
You forgot to mention the crystal spheres that cover the earth.
midden said @ 12:03am GMT on 21st Jun
Phfha! You can never get that high, because there's no air up there to push against!
arrowhen said @ 11:11pm GMT on 20th Jun
With rockets you can just show them in Kerbal Space Program. Maybe we need a KSP-style sandbox conspiracy theory simulator.
Bruceski said @ 11:12pm GMT on 20th Jun
Or you just do vectors. You're gonna have to give half a million tons a heck of a lateral push to make it go any direction but straight down. Once one support starts failing the others are gonna crumple as they try to take up the load, it's not like chopping down a tree where the rest of the trunk stays intact as it tips.
midden said @ 11:59pm GMT on 20th Jun
Exactly. That much mass, it's going nowhere but straight down, but we humans have millions of years of experience with things like trees. Part of our brain is screaming, "DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!" when we see things like the Trade Centers collapse.

I have similar problems with large airplanes. They look like massive metal machines, how could they possibly fly through the insubstantial air? But really, they are not very dense, even compared to a balsa wood, rubber band-propelled, toy plane, if you calculate the volume vs mass. Imagine how thin that aluminum skin would be, and all those spars and struts, if a 747 was only 14" long. Off the top of my head, I'm guessing it can't be more than an order of magnitude denser, and it's using one of the most energy dense sources of power we have, oxidising refined fossil fuel, compared to the inefficient storage of energy in the slight deformation of polymer molecular bonds.
cb361 said @ 3:07pm GMT on 20th Jun
I wondered about posting this, except for the Unwritten Rule that we don't Post Cracked articles...
Morris Forgot his Password said @ 3:12pm GMT on 20th Jun
I have never read that unwritten rule...
cb361 said @ 3:19pm GMT on 20th Jun
You missed the invisible memo?
arrowhen said @ 3:32pm GMT on 20th Jun
If it WAS written it would be in the form of a list.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 5:09pm GMT on 20th Jun
I was heartened to see the first dozen or so comments weren't from the usual batch of crazies spouting how this was another example of the conspiracy in action.
cb361 said @ 9:06pm GMT on 20th Jun
They all failed to understand the conspiracy mindset though.

The fact that government is a shambles that can't even keep a Presidential blowjob secret is meaningless. That's what the illuminati wants you to think. The "government" are just a puppet show, put on to hide the true rulers of the world.

There is absolutely no piece of evidence that you can't turn into part of the conspriacy if you try hard enough.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 9:11pm GMT on 20th Jun
Oh, I know. Anything a conspiracy theorist can't refute as false is just a part of the conspiracy and then they're demanding that people skeptical of their assertions prove a slew of negatives. It's "the God of the Gap" on steroids, where anything that's possibly unknown = conspiracy, until it's not unknown, in which case it was planted there by the conspiracy itself.

Conspiracy theorists really should have a flag with an odorous on it, or perhaps a flat Earth atop a stack of turtles vanishing into infinity with "It's Turtles All The Way Down" as its slogan.
arrowhen said @ 11:14pm GMT on 20th Jun
The Illuminati already put an infinite stack of turtles on the back of a dollar bill, you just can't see it because it's behind the pyramid.
midden said @ 12:11am GMT on 21st Jun
If humans were actually good enough at controlling our behavior as individuals to pull of some of these conspiracies, most of our problems would have been solved aeons ago. Unless the Illuminati really are Reptilians, then all bets are off.

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