Tuesday, 31 March 2015

Common Anti-GMO Propaganda Points and Why They're Wrong or Misleading

quote [ This was sent to me by a reader ? 5 reasons to avoid GMOs. The content is mostly tired anti-GMO tropes (lies, really) that have been thoroughly debunked, but it is good to address such propaganda in a concise way. Also, it is a useful demonstration of the intellectual dishonesty of the anti-GMO movement. I may not get through all of them today ? each one is so densely packed with wrong, and it takes longer to correct a misconception than to create one. ]
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[by bltrocker@9:41pmGMT]


ENZ said @ 9:58pm GMT on 31st Mar [Score:3 Insightful]
I'm more skittish of GMO's more for the corporatism aspect. With the growing population and effects of climate change some day making it more difficult to grow organic crops, GMO crops may some day be feeding the majority of the planet. And those crops are proprietary. You'd either have your ass sued to oblivion if you try to grow it yourself, or they're specifically designed to make it impossible to. So then there'd be an oligarchy with a near monopoly on the world's food supply.
mechavolt said @ 10:33pm GMT on 31st Mar [Score:1 Underrated]
Likewise. I actually think it's pretty damn cool we can genetically modify a tomato to grow in inhospitable conditions. I just don't want Monsanto to be the only company growing them.
foobar said @ 11:26pm GMT on 31st Mar
That's a problem completely aside from genetic engineering. I don't want one douchebag farmer to control Amarillo hops, but one does, and they're as "natural" as any other.
mechavolt said @ 11:36pm GMT on 31st Mar
I know. That's why I said I think genetic engineering is cool, but monopolies and mega-corps aren't.
foobar said @ 3:03am GMT on 1st Apr
Really the issue is that plant/gene patents are a thing at all.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 8:42am GMT on 1st Apr
Here's the thing I don't get: When a patent expires, anyone can supposedly make more of it. I recall hearing that a lot of these companies aren't keen on "generic" RoundUp-Ready seed being out there, and there were accusations that Monsanto wasn't exactly being forthcoming with the methods needed to create the seeds that weren't under patent.

Can't someone just harvest seed from a crop when the patent expires, or does that run afoul of some other law? I don't think they're putting "terminator genes" in these things, so... yes? No?
foobar said @ 9:22am GMT on 1st Apr
A normal patent requires the filer to reveal what would be needed to replicated the invention, but a plant patent doesn't require seeds or other reproductive material. I'm not sure about genetic patents, but the cynic in me doubts it's better.
arrowhen said @ 11:48pm GMT on 31st Mar [Score:1 Good]
JWWargo said @ 10:22pm GMT on 31st Mar
People grow cannabis illegally and get away with it. Maybe we'll have black market veggies in the near future.
buzhidao said @ 10:37am GMT on 1st Apr
this. thank you for saying this, that's it in a nutshell. i'd like GMO's to be labeled, not because the science scares me, but because i dont trust those fuckers.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:36am GMT on 1st Apr [Score:2]
I'm rather surprised nobody has looked at the thumbnail image and said, "nice crop."
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:51am GMT on 1st Apr
None of us are that clever.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 2:11am GMT on 1st Apr
I think it shows everyone's a lot healthier and more mentally stable than I am, honestly.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 9:51pm GMT on 31st Mar [Score:1 Funny]
There was an image floating around about GMO corn and squirrels that always made me laugh:

It sets off my bullshit detector to no end, since if animals could tell what was "bad" for them, poisons wouldn't work, and I've caught squirrels trying to eat the plastic welcome mat on my porch.
Ankylosaur said @ 9:57pm GMT on 31st Mar [Score:2 Funny]
This just shows that labeling GMOs will scare off consumers.
Bruceski said @ 11:31pm GMT on 31st Mar
Why did squirrels only eat the part facing the camera?
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:36am GMT on 1st Apr
They're the camwhores of the animal kingdom.
foobar said @ 9:57pm GMT on 31st Mar
Unfortunately, faith is not susceptible to facts.
5th Earth said @ 10:51pm GMT on 31st Mar
Golden Rice please.
mechanical contrivance said @ 11:19pm GMT on 31st Mar
GMOs are here to stay whether people are scared of them or not.
sanepride said @ 3:20am GMT on 1st Apr
For what it's worth-
Bill Nye the Science Guy, formerly a GMO alarmist, has changed his mind.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 8:47am GMT on 1st Apr
I also hate how the term "GMO" is used for anything anyone wants to claim is somehow a mad science experiment where unknown factors are being introduced into the food supply, resulting in bananas with gills that give you cancer or what have you.

I had a rather heated argument with someone at a party where they were upset that a new GMO was coming out: an apple that wouldn't brown, which of course meant it was "frankenfood" and would do god-knows-what to your insides. It took over 10 minutes and the use of a smartphone to show them that all that was being done was the removal of a gene that produced a protein which caused apples to brown. Their last gasp was to claim that apple trees should be grown naturally, period let me note that they apparently weren't aware that all commercial apple trees were grafts. That is, if you want the same apple you got from tree X, you had to graft a branch of it onto an existing sapling root of another fruit tree, as the seeds wouldn't give you the same kind of apple the parent tree produced.

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