Saturday, 7 November 2020

QAnon Lost and Confused After Trump’s Election Showing

quote [ Since Oct. 2017, when the mysterious “Q” first began issuing clues on the anonymous message board 4Chan, QAnon believers have been promised that Trump would bring down a “cabal” of pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, Hollywood, and banking with mass waves of arrests in a cathartic moment called “The Storm.” ]

Anything is possible when you lie!

If ALL their claims were exposed to the mainstream, would people see the other claims are equally stupid and crazy, or would they fall down an even deeper well of stupid and crazy?
[SFW] [politics] [+3]
[by snowfox@3:46amGMT]


slaytanik said @ 7:29am GMT on 7th Nov [Score:3 Underrated]
I don't believe we have hit the limits of mass human stupidity yet.
snowfox said @ 8:33am GMT on 7th Nov
You get +1 underrated because there is no +1 sad but true
zarathustra said @ 8:08pm GMT on 9th Nov
I was just looking at a news report that gave me hope. Intelligent analysis of Trumps legal challenges by law professors who also had practical experience, thoughtful political analysts etc. I thought maybe things could get better. Then, BAMM, a commercial for the Real Housewives of somewhere and I'm back to questioning if we deserve to survive as a species.
Q said[1] @ 1:43pm GMT on 7th Nov [Score:2]
I was there when I was required
through me passed the overarch bedeckants
in their great sequential migration across the universes of [no translation]
the marriage parties of the universe groupings of [no translation]
and the emissaries of the lone
bearing the laws of the new
from the pulsing core
the absolute centre of our nested home
all this the rest and others
I moved from a position where my presence was causing conflict
in the microenvironment concerned (see attached)
considering it prudent to withdraw
and reposition myself and my channel tract
where for some long time at least it was again unlikely I would be discovered
in recognition of the foregoing I wish now to be known hereafter as
milkman666 said @ 2:32pm GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Funny]
spaceloaf said @ 7:48am GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Funny]
This probably makes me a bad person, but I've been sorely tempted to dive into the QAnon boards just to revel in their tears.
hellboy said @ 8:11am GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Sad]
Sadly, if they follow the pattern of other cults, they’ll be temporarily disoriented until they come up with some convincing rationalization for what happened and then they’ll come back even more detached from reality and even more fanatical.
ComposerNate said[1] @ 9:55am GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Underrated]
And then apply for church status, avoid taxes while accumulating real estate
cb361 said @ 1:46pm GMT on 7th Nov
Yeah. These Great Disappointments serve to strip away the casual members, leaving only the most fanatic.
donnie said @ 2:20pm GMT on 7th Nov
Or maybe Trump will go full Koresh and they'll clean their own mess up nice and tidy, like.
snowfox said @ 4:29am GMT on 8th Nov
He lacks that sort of commitment and follow-through.
donnie said @ 2:57pm GMT on 8th Nov [Score:1 Funny]
You're absolutely right. My wires were crossed when I posted that - I said Koresh but I was thinking Heaven's Gate. Wrong crazies, my bad. I was hoping for a Nike sneaker sleepover party where Trumpism just ctrl-alt-deletes itself.
SnappyNipples said @ 2:15pm GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Sad]
Man I could tear out my own throat for the way my brother is acting, He's spamming his Q message unbeknown he set it to me on his fb DM....the message goes as follows "BQQM ELECTION FRAUD UPDATE!!!
If you have been following for a long time and you know the term "watch the waters" you probably understood it to mean the 3 gorges dam but it was never referring to that!! The "watch the water" intel refers to .....THE WATERMARK on the official election ballots!!!! The original ballots are also registered on a QFS blockchcain to prevent fraud. 12 states were targeted. The National Guard has been deployed to 12 states: Alabama, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Texas, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Washington, Virginia, Delaware, Illinois and Kentucky and they are now counting the official ballots!!!!

The DEMS fell right into the trap of this sting operation and TRUMP has it all!!! Fraud will be exposed for the world to see.
And isn't it fancy how the amazing Justice Amy was confirmed right before the election so that she can rightfully take care of the business of election fraud.... Oh and this is only the beginning of the EPIC times that lie ahead!!!

As long as he doesn't suicide and take the family with him when Biden wins, I really don't care anymore.

The gist of that message is about Trump somehow directed enough competent people to make those hidden ballots using non-radioactive isotopes to identify them.....the definition of isotope IS...the radioactive form of an element. Meaning that when an element has an extra amount of neutrons that cause them to decay. Distributing a known isotope secretly to the general public is a crime against humanity. He's a professor and director at a major university...I am sadden by this.
donnie said @ 2:25pm GMT on 7th Nov [Score:1 Informative]
Isotopes have nothing to do with radioactivity, it's strictly about neutron number. Lots of isotopes are not radioactive.

This isn't to defend Q, of course, but you can't fight stupid with more stupid.
SnappyNipples said @ 3:05am GMT on 8th Nov
I'm perfectly aware of stable isotopes like C13 which is in every thing, but it is ridiculous to think you will use an isotope that does not give off any energy to be detected, with what (portable) radiac equipment would you use to detect an inert isotope without a mass spectrometer. The insanity is not only the sci-fi use of an isotope, but logistics of such a operation and to keep it a secret till Q had sprung it to his cabal. I'm super pissed that my brother a guy who makes 200k a year as a director at a major university swims in a pool of Q kool-aid that he couldn't see how stupid this idea is.
donnie said @ 2:53pm GMT on 8th Nov
I'm not taking issue with any of that - my only point was that the statement "the definition of isotope IS...the radioactive form of an element" is not correct.
SnappyNipples said @ 6:59pm GMT on 9th Nov
I'm aware of the three types of isotopes and in my comment I though it was hilarious to think you could track an item using an stable one when you would need an radioisotope of some sort to radiate an energy signal to detect. As for the general definition of isotope as given it leaves out stable and the primordial forms. MEH.....

donnie said @ 8:53pm GMT on 10th Nov
That's a completely nonsensical reference and it's wrong - end of story. The entire expression "stable isotope", used directly in that definition, would be a contradiction in terms, if that was the case. The term "radioisotope" would also be pointless and redundant. Never trust the first thing you find on the internet.

For what it's worth, I've been a professional physicist for 20 years. I assure you I know more about the topic than you do.
snowfox said @ 10:26am GMT on 8th Nov [Score:1 Insightful]
What I love most about voter fraud claims is that they have never really panned out. There are a few old, famous instances that are famous because they're exceptional. But when people are convinced facts are lies and reliable sources are part of a conspiracy, fraud never has to be proven. They KNOW it exists, so to them the lack of evidence is just further evidence of the conspiracy. That no mass voter fraud has been caught is proof the Democrats (it's always the Democrats) got away with it.

It isn't surprising. This is the party of religion and appeal to blind authority. They've spent their whole lives convincing themselves lack of evidence for God is proof of God. They can apply that warped thinking to any belief they hold.

There's nothing outside forces can do to help them. They have to experience an internal change of state that leads to an epiphany. It will never happen for most of them.
SnappyNipples said @ 2:46pm GMT on 8th Nov [Score:1 WTF]
My brother just doubled down on his belief this morning with this on his fb

" The clown in the White House just brokered two Middle East Peace Accords, something that 71 years of political intervention and endless war failed to produce.
The buffoon in the White House is the first president that has not engaged us in a foreign war since Eisenhower.
The clown in the White House has had the greatest impact on the economy, bringing jobs, and lowering unemployment to the Black and Latino population of ANY other president. Ever.
The buffoon in the White House has exposed the deep, widespread, and long-standing corruption in the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the Republican and Democratic parties.
The buffoon in the White House turned NATO around and had them start paying their dues.
The clown in the White House neutralized the North Koreans, stopped them from developing a further nuclear capability, sending missiles toward Japan, and threatening the West Coast of the US.
The clown in the White House turned our relationship with the Chinese around, brought hundreds of business back to the US, and revived the economy. Hello!!!!!!!
The clown in the White House has accomplished the appointing of three Supreme Court Justices and close to 300 Federal Judges.
This same clown in the White House lowered your taxes, increased the standard deduction on your IRS return from $12,500 for Married Filing Joint to $24,400 and caused your stock market to move to record levels over 100 times, positively impacting the retirements of tens of millions of citizens.
The clown in the White House fast-tracked the development of a COVID Vaccine - it will be available within weeks - we still don't have a vaccine for SARS, Bird Flu, Ebola, or a host of diseases that arose during previous administrations.
The clown in the White House rebuilt our military which the Obama administration had crippled and had fired 214 key generals and admirals in his first year of office.
This clown in the White House uncovered widespread pedophilia in the government and in Hollywood, and is exposing world wide sex trafficking of minors and bringing children home to their families.
The clown in the White House works for free and has lost well over 2 billion dollars of his own money in serving - and done all of this and much more in the face of relentless undermining and opposition from people who are threatened because they know they are going to be exposed as the criminals that they are if he is re-elected.
I got it, you don't like him. Many of you utterly hate and despise him. How special of you. He is serving you and ALL the American people. What are you doing besides calling him names and laughing about him catching the China virus ?????
And please educate me again as to what Biden has accomplished
I’ll take a ‘clown’ any day versus a fork tongued, smooth talking hypocritical corrupt liar. Please let it be known, I am not sure I would want to have a beer with him (if he drank, which he doesn't) or even be his friend. I don’t care if I even like him. I want a strong leader who isn’t afraid to kick some ass when needed. I don’t need a fatherly figure - I already have one. I don’t need a liar - that's what Hollywood and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and the New York Times are for.
I don’t need someone to help me, but I also don’t want an obstacle or a demented, senile washed-up Swamp Monster.
God bless Donald Trump - the most unappreciated President in HISTORY!!! "
SnappyNipples said @ 2:50pm GMT on 8th Nov [Score:3 Funny]
You know what? The TA in me just popped up and I put this through Turn It In. and my bro didn't even write this, he copied and pasted...didn't even give it a citation.
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:28pm GMT on 8th Nov
snowfox said @ 8:12pm GMT on 8th Nov
I just assumed that. I guess it reflects what I expect from low information voters.

My favorite part was the $2 billion he "lost" by being President. The man was worth maybe $340 million. Where the hell was all the other money supposed to come from even if they believed he had $1 billion like he claimed? ... it's like these people not only don't understand math but just don't understand numbers.
mechavolt said @ 3:34pm GMT on 8th Nov
Sigh, I can't read the article so I can't mod.

As an aside, I 100% understand that journalism needs money to function. But deciding the best way to do that is limiting access to it unless you cough up the dough directly doesn't sit well with me.

Throw ads at me! Let me pay to remove them! Restrict my access to editorials! But restricting information unless you can pay only hurts us in the long run. It limits information access to people who can't afford it. And for people who can afford it, we have to choose which news sources to subscribe to with our limited funds. That only encourages echo rooms.
Paracetamol said[1] @ 8:08pm GMT on 9th Nov [Score:1 Informative]
Reader mode FTW:


QAnon Lost and Confused After Trump’s Election Showing

Will Sommer

Updated Nov. 07, 2020 1:00PM ET / Published Nov. 06, 2020 9:47PM ET

Aside from perhaps Donald Trump himself, no one is struggling more with the president’s re-election defeat than QAnon conspiracy theorists.

Since Oct. 2017, when the mysterious “Q” first began issuing clues on the anonymous message board 4Chan, QAnon believers have been promised that Trump would bring down a “cabal” of pedophile-cannibals in the Democratic Party, Hollywood, and banking with mass waves of arrests in a cathartic moment called “The Storm.” They have been promised that The Storm would solve not only the world’s biggest problems, but their own. At various points, they have even convinced each other that Trump would solve diseases like cancer and absolve crushing medical and credit card debts.

But as Joe Biden built his lead in Pennsylvania, QAnon followers were faced with their greatest challenge yet. For years, they’ve been told that—no matter how bad things looked for Trump on the outside—the president and the military had everything in hand. “Patriots were in control,” Q told them in one popular motto, “Enjoy the show.”

Now, it’s starting to look to even some of the most dedicated followers—some of whom have sacrificed family in their devotion to the conspiracy theory—that QAnon might actually have been nonsense. And they aren’t sure what to do.

“It’s hard to keep the faith when your wife and daughters have left you and we didn’t get the decisive MOAB win we deserved on election night!!” complained one QAnon supporter on a QAnon forum on Friday, as QAnon believers tried to cheer one another up. “No win for me-PERIOD!!”

The 2020 election results have shaken the faith of QAnon believers. Some have taken to despair. Others began promoting new conspiracy theories, such as one that alleged ballot “watermarks” would save the election for Trump.

QAnon believers have faced disappointment before. The entire conspiracy theory launched with the idea that Hillary Clinton would be arrested by the end of October 2017 and shipped to Guantanamo Bay. When that failed to happen, they decided that they had misread the clues, or that Clinton had been arrested and was wearing an ankle bracelet, or that she really was imprisoned and the Clinton appearing at book signings and in TV interviews was really a clone.

QAnon has faced election losses before, too. In 2018, Q promised that Republicans would weather the midterms, only to be proven wrong—a contradiction that one-time QAnon supporter and newly elected congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) has claimed shook her faith in QAnon.

But Trump’s election defeat promises to undermine the entire project in an unprecedented way, leaving “The Storm” unfulfilled and the “cabal” intact.

The disappointment of a Trump loss also comes at a tumultuous time internally for QAnon. Ron Watkins, an administrator on QAnon hub 8kun, whose technical access would theoretically let him post as Q or at least know Q’s identity, announced that he was stepping back from the site. Neon Revolt, an anonymous blogger who’s amassed a following in the QAnon community, implied this week that the “Q” account was for sale online for $1 million, an idea that brought into question the conspiracy theory’s foundations.

Making matters worse, QAnon believers had been left to deal with Trump’s dwindling ballots lead without their mastermind, since Q stopped posting after election day. Even more ominously, a QAnon believer was arrested in Philadelphia on Thursday near the ballot-counting site with QAnon merchandise and an AR-15-style rifle.

Of course, QAnon believers can always invent a new bizarre claim to reaffirm their beliefs, even if only for a little while. In this case, some of them have created a hoax about a fictitious ballot watermark.

The origins of the watermark claim center on a viral Facebook post that asserted the Department of Homeland Security had planted secret “blockchain” watermarks on legitimate ballots. The post, which went viral on a “Stop the Steal” Facebook group with more than 300,000 members before Facebook shut it down, posited that DHS created those watermarks as a sting operation to test how many true legitimate ballots emerged after the election.

"The DEMS fell right into the trap of this sting operation and TRUMP has it all!!!" the post, which has been screenshotted and copy-pasted into forms across social media, read.

If you thought prime-time Fox was out of control last night, it's PBS NewsHour compared to what's circulating in Q-adjacent quarters of social media. A friend's very sweet, very Christian mom sent him this:
— David French (@DavidAFrench) November 6, 2020

For watermark believers, Biden ballots in battleground states will be wiped away as fraudulent once DHS and the National Guard step in. After that, the theory goes, top Democrats will, as always, be arrested.

The conspiracy theory was further fueled by an InfoWars interview with Alex Jones associate Steve Pieczenik, who claimed that the watermarks were real. It was also aided by a widely circulated, but ultimately fraudulent screenshot of a supposed DHS press release that claimed to show the department admitting to the scheme and claiming nearly half of all Biden ballots in Michigan, for example, were fake.

“DHS announces election audit sting after contentious US election sparks confusion and outrage from election skeptics,” the headline on the bogus press release reads.

And yet, the watermark conspiracy has taken off. Twitter replies to top Republicans like Trump and his sons have filled up with diehard Trump believers asking for confirmation of the alleged sting.

“The watermark shall rule the libs and bring them down for good and jail for all,” one pro-Trump Twitter account tweeted at Trump on Friday night.

The watermark conspiracy theory has busted out of QAnon’s confines. Newsmax White House correspondent Emerald Robinson nodded at the theory on Friday, tweeting that “lots of my followers have been asking me to check into a story that DHS put a watermark on election ballots to verify them.”

Lots of my followers have been asking me to check into a story that DHS put a watermark on election ballots to verify them.

So I checked.

Would you like to hear what I found out?
— Emerald Robinson ✝️ (@EmeraldRobinson) November 6, 2020

It also regularly appears among talk radio show callers, baffling even hard-right hosts. Glenn Beck was forced to address the watermark hoax on his show on Friday, pointing out that one of its tenets—that one paper company supplies all the paper ballots in the country—obviously isn’t true.

“I want to believe the watermark thing,” Beck said. “That doesn’t even make sense logically, it doesn’t work. And before you spread things, you should think that one through.”
snowfox said @ 9:01pm GMT on 8th Nov
Their formatting makes it too hard to copy/paste from my phone but here's a placeholder so I remember to edit this comment from my laptop.

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