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Sunday, 5 May 2019
quote [ Jim Cummings, who has voiced both Winnie the Pooh and Tigger in Disney films, has been accused by his ex-wife of rape and physical violence. ]
Granted the accusations come from his ex wife and not proven so I'd take it with a grain of salt, but the accusations aren't mild.
Jim Cummings, who has voiced both Winnie the Pooh and Tigger in Disney films, has been accused by his ex-wife of rape and physical violence.
According to Page Six, Stephanie Cummings, ex-wife of Jim Cummings, alleges in court documents that Cummings has “has engaged in physical, sexual and emotional abuse including but not limited to death threats, rape, and various sexual deviant behavior forced upon me without my consent” since their divorce in 2011. She alleges that Cummings raped her in 2013 as well as demanded sex in exchange for paying child support for their daughters. On one occasion, she claims that Cummings groped her breasts in front of the children, saying he could “touch Mommy’s breasts since he had paid for them.” According to The Blast, Cummings reportedly seemed to think the incident was funny in an email response: “‘Forcing’? Please, everyone, Gracie myself and especially YOU were all giggling and laughing, it was pleasant to have one moment of light-heartedness. We both erupted into laughter.” Stephanie has taken out two restraining orders against her former husband. The first because she alleges he “forcefully put his hand on the back of my neck and kissed me while holding me in place against the wall” in front of their four-year-old. Stephanie says the abuse became so unbearable that she moved with their daughters to Utah in 2017 but allowed Cummings to visit. During that visit, she alleges she woke to find him “standing over me with his erect penis in my hand” while their daughter slept beside her, after which she obtained a second restraining order. The court documents also accuse Cummings of abusing their family dog: Stephanie also alleges Jim abused their family puppy — once shattering its hip with a broom and on another occasion placing it “inside a metal bucket outside of the house on a day which it was over 100 degrees, then left it there for a long time” until it “came close to dying.” In response to that document, Cummings countered that he was disciplining the dog and forgot about him “for a while.”
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snowfox said @ 9:35am GMT on 5th May
[Score:2 Underrated]
Everyone you admire has been a piece of shit at some point in their life. Get real comfortable with it. Start looking at your own life through an unflattering filter, odds are, you're a piece of shit too.
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jsabin69 said @ 11:49pm GMT on 5th May
there's being a real piece of shit at some point in your life and then there's repeatedly raping someone and putting a dog in a metal contain in the sun >100 degree heat.
I've never been the later; but I'll let you speak for yourself :) |
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snowfox said @ 12:36am GMT on 6th May
[Score:3 Underrated]
You don't have the perspective of anyone you've hurt, maybe even people you never realized you hurt. Your objective actions don't correlate 1:1 with their subjective experience.
We are all monsters, those of us who can't admit it most of all. You said you're a lawyer who deals in divorces, wanna know how I know you're a monster in denial? |
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 6:49am GMT on 6th May
I WANNA BE SNOWFOX WHEN I GROW UP GODDAMN
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arrowhen said @ 9:22am GMT on 6th May
I don't want to grow up, but if I had to, I could think of worse people to be.
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 9:28am GMT on 6th May
[Score:-1 Flamebait]
filtered comment under your threshold |
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:24pm GMT on 6th May
[Score:1 Good]
I want to live in a van down by the river.
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snowfox said @ 4:58am GMT on 8th May
Eh, it's not easy to live with being such an enormous piece of shit, but it can be done. The whole hard-partying playgirl thing really helps. Or makes it worse? I forget which.
I hear whiskey calling. |
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:05pm GMT on 8th May
I didn't know you hated yourself so much.
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snowfox said @ 2:15pm GMT on 8th May
Now you're just being coy to flirt with me.
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rylex said @ 2:36am GMT on 9th May
you stand a better chance if you offer some bulleit
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jsabin69 said[1] @ 4:27am GMT on 10th May
I never said i wasn't a monster to someone. I'm still not a rapist or someone who would put a dog in a metal bucket in the sun...
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snowfox said @ 5:09am GMT on 10th May
Why is that example so specific?
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:45pm GMT on 10th May
He doesn't want to limit himself.
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snowfox said @ 2:56pm GMT on 10th May
I mean, by that standard, Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini have ever put a dog in a bucket. I think.
Hitler did test the poison on Blondie and her puppies first but that was more of a family suicide bunker situation than an attempt at abuse. |
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jsabin69 said @ 9:41pm GMT on 10th May
it's what the man in the article allegedly did. You can try to dismiss his actions by saying everyone's a monster, but that doesn't address the fact that some are much worse monsters than others.
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snowfox said @ 10:03pm GMT on 10th May
You were the one dismissing the actions by saying you don't believe in allegations due to your background as a divorce lawyer. My point that everyone is a monster is just my usual brand of nihilism.
Hi, I'm snowfox, I hate everything and have no faith in humanity. Welcome to SE. |
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jsabin69 said @ 9:29am GMT on 11th May
I didn't dismiss the actions. I noted that they were allegations not proven in court and I also noted that the accusations were not mild.
That's a far cry from saying that things didn't happen or that I think she's lying. I think that one of the big failings in society is the to presume everyone is guilty as soon as an allegation is alleged. I believe that due process should be given whether it be an employment decision, a criminal case, or a civil case. It's pretty fucked up to see so many people losing their jobs etc based on accusations because of public hysteria. That doesn't mean that some of the peopel who lost their jobs didn't deserve to. Many of them deserve to be in jail let alone condemned by the media. I just believe that judgement should be reserved until there's been a fair hearing over matters. I'm skeptical for good reason. People who think that every accusation is true are naive at best. |
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snowfox said @ 5:28pm GMT on 11th May
Ah sorry. I mistook it for the usual apologist rhetoric where allegation=lie, you know how that goes in the court of public opinion. There are people who need ironclad proof of an allegation, and even if they have it, they invent ways it's fake. Unfortunately, in most cases of domestic abuse, there isn't going to be ironclad proof unless someone was able to film it. For instance, if someone calls the cops and has bruises, it's not impossible they hurt themselves and made a false report. There are people that are certain all women are venomous liars.
Allegation has become a very loaded and tainted word at this point. Its connotations have definitely shifted. |
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jsabin69 said[1] @ 10:49pm GMT on 11th May
No worries;
The number of people who injure themselves then call the cops is pretty surprising actually. Even more surprising is the amount of male domestic violence victims. None of this excuses the amount of violence perpetrated on women (and men) by men in the majority of cases. I never felt that allegation meant anything more than what it meant, but a lot of words take on a lot of different connotations in the legal discourse. Also, I wouldn't have shared the article if I thought it was unlikely to at least be grounded in the truth. Anyway, apology accepted thanks for following up ;) |
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arrowhen said @ 8:05am GMT on 6th May
As a piece of shit and/also all-around awesome dude, this is why I steadfastly refuse to admire actual human beings. Hawkeye Pierce, Han Solo, and my beloved dog Harry, gods rest his soul, were all better people than me or any other so-called "real" people, and if you're going to idolize anyone, why not aim high and strive and fail to reach an impossible ideal rather than successfully emulate some fallable human dipshit?
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mechanical contrivance said @ 1:26pm GMT on 6th May
I really hope Brian May never disappoints me. He seems like such a great guy. Then again, so did Bill Cosby.
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Silent said @ 10:27am GMT on 5th May
[Score:2]
Oh bother..
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 10:43am GMT on 5th May
Hello stranger
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 10:17am GMT on 5th May
[Score:1 Underrated]
I really love the comment about his ex wife.
No actually fuck you? |
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jsabin69 said[2] @ 11:52pm GMT on 5th May
As a lawyer who's handled plenty of divorces I don't believe a damn thing people say about the people they divorce...clients and their exes both make up all kinds of shit not uncommonly allegations of rape...
So, I don't know what you are trying to get at here other than maybe implying that we should just accept her allegations without any proof and ignore her motive to lie? |
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 6:55am GMT on 6th May
I got out of a very long term relationship where i was physically. Mentally and emotionally abused. I tried to take my own life near the end of it. I survived (obviously) and thays what made me move 2 states away with what i could reasonably sneak out . my kitties and 70 dollars to my name.
I lied said it was only a temporary trip to my mothers house. I had to take a group of people with me months later to get my belongings. My story isnt uncommon. Fuck its so common. Ive heard my experience from the mouths of multiple other women. But yeah please believe that a rape and abuse victim wants to lie about this stuff. Bc its not like it has serious social consequences for the victim Im not surprised youre a lawyer babycakes. Seems like you picked the PERFECT career field |
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arrowhen said @ 7:47am GMT on 6th May
[Score:1 Funny]
So... you're single?
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jsabin69 said @ 4:22am GMT on 10th May
I've worked as a special victims' counsel and dealt with more sexual assault than I care to think about. I've been told by multiple clients that I literally saved their lives by taking them serious when no one else would.
You are deluded with your head stuck up your own ass because of your own tragedy if you think think that every single accusation of rape etc is true. Furthermore, you wouldn't like the results of a world where every accusation is believed without evidence. All i noted was that that the accuations were not yet supported by evidence. I'm sorry a lawyer hurt you at some point, but I'm not that lawyer and I don't deserve the animosity you've flung at me just because I believe in due process and chose a career where I in large part helped victims just like yourself, many with much worse stories. |
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discolemonade2.0 said @ 5:40am GMT on 10th May
Lol
1. Thats not even a small part of my story but ok plz try to downplay my trauma 2. Nice hero complex you got there. 3. Youre a fucking pinecone OP. eat my entire ass 💓💓💓💓 |
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jsabin69 said[1] @ 9:39pm GMT on 10th May
Meh, you enjoy your victim complex. . .
That aside, I'll again say I'm sorry that you suffered the abuse you shared and the abuse you didn't. No one deserves that. Additionally, I'm sorry that the justice system failed you in at least one way such that you prejudge lawyers negatively; This is all unfortunately way too common. Finally, even though you demanded, I'll still have to pass on that tart lemonade. |
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arrowhen said @ 11:21pm GMT on 10th May
I mean, you went from "granted the accusations come from his ex wife and not proven so I'd take it with a grain of salt, but the accusations aren't mild" (seems like nothing more than a healthy bit of skepticism to me) to " I don't believe a damn thing people say about the people they divorce" (so you posted an article you didn't believe a damn thing in?) to "I literally saved their lives by taking them serious when no one else would" (I guess none of them were getting divorced?) in the span of like three comments.
I'm not saying all lawyers are weasels, but none of the lawyers in this thread has shown themselves to be 100% free of weaselry. |
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jsabin69 said @ 9:24am GMT on 11th May
Fair point, about " I don't believe a damn thing people say about the people they divorce" I should have been a bit more clear that I don't believe it without independent confirmation and without investigation. I divorces and many other legally antagonistic situations people lie a lot and this is just generally true when when they have large incentives to lie.
I have always taken my clients seriously, but believe what clients say without a healthy bit of skepticism is either malpractice or certainly invites it as clients will pay you hundreds of dollars an hour while lying to you even though you warn them of the potential consequences of doing so. THey will also ignore your clear warnings and advice and do the exact opposite of what they should even though they pay you shit tons of money for the advice. They then come back to you either begging or mad at you for what happened to them that is a direct result of their failure to tell the truth or listen to the advice they solicited. I wasn't perfectly clear and if I'm weasely for being a bit short about things then I'm a weasel. |
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Jack Blue said[2] @ 10:49am GMT on 5th May
[Score:1 Funsightful]
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Paracetamol said[1] @ 5:09pm GMT on 5th May
please use a
spoiler tag though next time |
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Jack Blue said @ 7:36pm GMT on 5th May
[Score:1 laz0r]
Tried to. Bothed it. Fixed now.
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Hugh E. said @ 8:37pm GMT on 5th May
Curious what this spoils, but the answer itself may be the spoiler.
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Jack Blue said @ 9:46pm GMT on 5th May
[Score:1 Funsightful]
It spoils the width of the board.
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rylex said @ 2:37am GMT on 9th May
[Score:2]
it doesnt spoil it, it enhances it
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