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Monday, 8 May 2017
quote [ May 8, 2017 - "Norm" is a short film about two roommates debating over the morality of rape, in a society where raping women is legal and socially accepted.
Written and Directed by Miguel Endara ]
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Taxman said @ 2:56pm GMT on 10th May
Except that the acceptable living standards of animals and humans are quite different.
I think that's where the breakdown in sensitivity between vegans and the general public lies. Somewhere along the line, you (and I expect most vegans) started to believe that animals needed/wanted to be 'free', 'not enslaved to produce products', and 'not eaten'. However, I don't believe animals can know their plight. If all this was being done to humans, they would KNOW what is happening to them and that would be terrible.
Without humans - cows, chickens, etc. would be subject to the laws of nature. They would be hunted/eaten/killed by predators, not quickly mind you, but at the predators whim. They would be in same plight, but their killers wouldn't know what they're doing either. The key here is that the cow, the chicken, etc. wouldn't act ANY differently than they do now. They just don't care, because they can't. You can. You WANT them to care soooo bad. In fact you're going to care FOR them, damn the consequences.
We treat animals better than predators, but less than human. Not a bad deal for a creature who won't know the difference.
Ultimately though, vegans are the ones that have become oversensitive. THEY would not want to be slaves/eaten so NOTHING should be enslaved or eaten. Too far, try again. But you can't, because it's a sensitivity. It doesn't come from the rational part of your brain that you get to control. Instead, the irrational part makes the plea and you come up with the arguments.
If you want to know how WE feel (and yes I am speaking broadly for a large swath of people, so grain of salt please):
Vegans grow asparagus in an unnatural in-line formation of slave kennels, grows them to the ripe fruitful age of maturity, and then plucks them (murders them) from their safe homeland in the ground, then cooks the flesh of the asparagus so that its cruel master might live and his pee might smell. THAT... is how we don't feel. Neither do you. You don't care about plants. Living creatures that you consume en masse to further your bloodline.
We don't mind killing cows, chickens, etc. just like you don't mind killing asparagus.
We're ALL killing things so that we can live, you've just restricted yourself to nothing with a brain because it makes you feel bad. I sleep perfectly well after eating a burger. Both of those feelings are fine. The problem comes in when assholes from either side try to dictate/harass/shame what the other side kills to continue living.
MY cow's body, MY choice. :-)
Taxman said @ 12:05am GMT on 11th May
Except that the acceptable living standards of animals and humans are quite different.
I think that's where the breakdown in sensitivity between vegans and the general public lies. Somewhere along the line, you (and I expect most vegans) started to believe that animals needed/wanted to be 'free', 'not enslaved to produce products', and 'not eaten'. However, I don't believe animals can know their plight. If all this was being done to humans, they would KNOW what is happening to them and that would be terrible.
Without humans - cows, chickens, etc. would be subject to the laws of nature. They would be hunted/eaten/killed by predators, not quickly mind you, but at the predators whim. They would be in same plight, but their killers wouldn't know what they're doing either. The key here is that the cow, the chicken, etc. wouldn't act ANY differently than they do now. They just don't care, because they can't. You can. You WANT them to care soooo bad. In fact you're going to care FOR them, damn the consequences.
We treat animals better than predators, but less than human. Not a bad deal for a creature who won't know the difference.
Ultimately though, vegans are the ones that have become oversensitive. THEY would not want to be slaves/eaten so NOTHING should be enslaved or eaten. Too far, try again. But you can't, because it's a sensitivity. It doesn't come from the rational part of your brain that you get to control. Instead, the irrational part makes the plea and you come up with the arguments.
If you want to know how WE feel (and yes I am speaking broadly for a large swath of people, so grain of salt please):
Vegans grow asparagus in an unnatural in-line formation of slave kennels, grows them to the ripe fruitful age of maturity, and then plucks them (murders them) from their safe homeland in the ground, then cooks the flesh of the asparagus so that its cruel master might live and his pee might smell. THAT... is how we don't feel. Neither do you. You don't care about plants. Living creatures that you consume en masse to further your bloodline.
We don't mind killing cows, chickens, etc. just like you don't mind killing asparagus.
We're ALL killing things so that we can live, you've just restricted yourself to nothing with a brain because it makes you feel bad. I sleep perfectly well after eating a burger. Both of those feelings are fine. The problem comes in when assholes from either side try to dictate/harass/shame what the other side kills to continue living.
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Taxman said @ 2:56pm GMT on 10th May
Except that the acceptable living standards of animals and humans are quite different.
I think that's where the breakdown in sensitivity between vegans and the general public lies. Somewhere along the line, you (and I expect most vegans) started to believe that animals needed/wanted to be 'free', 'not enslaved to produce products', and 'not eaten'. However, I don't believe animals can know their plight. If all this was being done to humans, they would KNOW what is happening to them and that would be terrible.
Without humans - cows, chickens, etc. would be subject to the laws of nature. They would be hunted/eaten/killed by predators, not quickly mind you, but at the predators whim. They would be in same plight, but their killers wouldn't know what they're doing either. The key here is that the cow, the chicken, etc. wouldn't act ANY differently than they do now. They just don't care, because they can't. You can. You WANT them to care soooo bad. In fact you're going to care FOR them, damn the consequences.
We treat animals better than predators, but less than human. Not a bad deal for a creature who won't know the difference.
Ultimately though, vegans are the ones that have become oversensitive. THEY would not want to be slaves/eaten so NOTHING should be enslaved or eaten. Too far, try again. But you can't, because it's a sensitivity. It doesn't come from the rational part of your brain that you get to control. Instead, the irrational part makes the plea and you come up with the arguments.
If you want to know how WE feel (and yes I am speaking broadly for a large swath of people, so grain of salt please):
Vegans grow asparagus in an unnatural in-line formation of slave kennels, grows them to the ripe fruitful age of maturity, and then plucks them (murders them) from their safe homeland in the ground, then cooks the flesh of the asparagus so that its cruel master might live and his pee might smell. THAT... is how we don't feel. Neither do you. You don't care about plants. Living creatures that you consume en masse to further your bloodline.
We don't mind killing cows, chickens, etc. just like you don't mind killing asparagus.
We're ALL killing things so that we can live, you've just restricted yourself to nothing with a brain because it makes you feel bad. I sleep perfectly well after eating a burger. Both of those feelings are fine. The problem comes in when assholes from either side try to dictate/harass/shame what the other side kills to continue living.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/69yqqj/i_made_a_film_about_what_it_feels_like_to_be_a/