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Friday, 15 January 2016
quote [ It took days for police to acknowledge the extent of the mass attacks on women celebrating New Year’s Eve in Cologne. The Germans were lucky; in Sweden, similar attacks have been taking place for more than a year and the authorities are still playing catch up. Only now is the truth emerging, both about the attacks and the cover-ups. ]
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rhesusmonkey said @ 6:01am GMT on 20th January
OK, maybe I missed the point, or maybe you did, after all this clip is edited, and out of context for the beginning or end of it all we are left with is her explaining what Islam (text, holy book of) does state with regards to polygamy with slaves who are captured in war, and that Muslims bringing foreign women into their family under this "law" is not in fact supported by any holy text or Sharia, ergo she is arguing against the practice, not supporting it. And I still don't get what this has to do with the comment I made initially :)
If you want to see other people advocating for polygamy under a pseudo-Christian environment, you only need to visit Utah. If you want to see Christians advocating for the treatment of women as chattel, go visit the Amish. There are conservative factions of Christianity that would argue quite rightly that the Bible does advocate rape (implicitly, through expressions like "submission" rather than directly, but I'm not a native Farsi speaker so I have to assume the English subs are an accurate translation), as well as various and sundry other forms of punishment including slavery that in "civilized society" we consider abhorent, but that doesn't mean you won't find theologians arguing about them, or that these same sort of arguments about what "god's law" enables a person to do / not do aren't happening within other religions.
Modern Christianity and Judaeism tend to ignore the "laws" that are actually outlined in their holy books and instead lean on more liberal interpretations; there are no doubt more progressive people practicing Islam that do as well, but it is clear to you and me and anyone else who bothers to look at what is happening in the ME today that large factions of the Muslim populace there are taking their 1500 year old laws quite literally and believe that practicing them verbatim is the "true" path to spirituality. I find their rants no more or less troubling that watching hassidic jews walk around, also following their 5000 year old teachings. To me they are all batshit crazy.
rhesusmonkey said @ 6:06am GMT on 20th January
OK, maybe I missed the point, or maybe you did, after all this clip is edited, and out of context for the beginning or end of it all we are left with is her explaining what Islam (text, holy book of) does state with regards to polygamy with slaves who are captured in war, and that Muslims bringing foreign women into their family under this "law" is not in fact supported by any holy text or Sharia, ergo she is arguing against the practice, not supporting it. And I still don't get what this has to do with the comment I made initially :)
If you want to see other people advocating for polygamy under a pseudo-Christian environment, you only need to visit Utah. If you want to see Christians advocating for the treatment of women as chattel, go visit the Amish. There are conservative factions of Christianity that would argue quite rightly that the Bible does advocate rape (implicitly, through expressions like "submission" rather than directly, but I'm not a native Farsi speaker so I have to assume the English subs are an accurate translation - even so sbe never says "rape", only that having sex with your slave is allowed), as well as various and sundry other forms of punishment including slavery that in "civilized society" we consider abhorent, but that doesn't mean you won't find theologians arguing about them, or that these same sort of arguments about what "god's law" enables a person to do / not do aren't happening within other religions.
Modern Christianity and Judaeism tend to ignore the "laws" that are actually outlined in their holy books and instead lean on more liberal interpretations; there are no doubt more progressive people practicing Islam that do as well, but it is clear to you and me and anyone else who bothers to look at what is happening in the ME today that large factions of the Muslim populace there are taking their 1500 year old laws quite literally and believe that practicing them verbatim is the "true" path to spirituality. I find their rants no more or less troubling that watching hassidic jews walk around, also following their 5000 year old teachings. To me they are all batshit crazy.
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rhesusmonkey said @ 6:01am GMT on 20th January
OK, maybe I missed the point, or maybe you did, after all this clip is edited, and out of context for the beginning or end of it all we are left with is her explaining what Islam (text, holy book of) does state with regards to polygamy with slaves who are captured in war, and that Muslims bringing foreign women into their family under this "law" is not in fact supported by any holy text or Sharia, ergo she is arguing against the practice, not supporting it. And I still don't get what this has to do with the comment I made initially :)
If you want to see other people advocating for polygamy under a pseudo-Christian environment, you only need to visit Utah. If you want to see Christians advocating for the treatment of women as chattel, go visit the Amish. There are conservative factions of Christianity that would argue quite rightly that the Bible does advocate rape (implicitly, through expressions like "submission" rather than directly, but I'm not a native Farsi speaker so I have to assume the English subs are an accurate translation - even so sbe never says "rape", only that having sex with your slave is allowed), as well as various and sundry other forms of punishment including slavery that in "civilized society" we consider abhorent, but that doesn't mean you won't find theologians arguing about them, or that these same sort of arguments about what "god's law" enables a person to do / not do aren't happening within other religions.
Modern Christianity and Judaeism tend to ignore the "laws" that are actually outlined in their holy books and instead lean on more liberal interpretations; there are no doubt more progressive people practicing Islam that do as well, but it is clear to you and me and anyone else who bothers to look at what is happening in the ME today that large factions of the Muslim populace there are taking their 1500 year old laws quite literally and believe that practicing them verbatim is the "true" path to spirituality. I find their rants no more or less troubling that watching hassidic jews walk around, also following their 5000 year old teachings. To me they are all batshit crazy.
"Taharrush"