Thursday, 9 July 2015


quote [ Over the past few months, I've received thousands of messages from people all over the world who suffer or have suffered from acne, an insecurity or self confidence issues.

I wanted to create a film that showed how social media can set unrealistic expectations on both women and men. ]

A short YouTube video making the rounds. A little trite, but I thought it was done very well.
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[by bltrocker@12:24amGMT]


sanepride said @ 2:16am GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
I dunno...maybe this could be useful for sensitive teenage girls with body/appearance issues , but I'd like to think that most of us in this forum aren't quite so emotionally dependent on what anonymous trolls say about us on social media.
midden said @ 4:30am GMT on 9th Jul [Score:2 Underrated]
Really, Sane? You have been so fortunate as to live your live without ever having felt unfairly judged as a human being based on some arbitrary attribute? Too short, too tall, too fat, too skinny, to pale, too brown, too nearsighted, too shy, too extroverted? Maybe a facial birthmark, or a slightly malformed limb, thick glasses or cheap sneakers, a different accent or the wrong kind of loose-leaf binder? Prematurely balding or driving a fifteen year old, rusting Honda Civic?

Yes, I think most of us have been through it, and hopefully grown and gained some strength in the face of judgement based on social ideals, but that doesn't mean it's not a real issue, and a source for serious pain and sadness for many, many people. Have some freaking empathy, man.
sanepride said[1] @ 4:50am GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
OK, I guess I was wrong.
It seems there is at least one sensitive teenage girl with body/appearance issues on this forum. If I may give you a little grown-up advice- just don't listen to what all those mean people say about your pimply face on the social medias.
You look....MAH-VELOUS!
ComposerNate said @ 10:25am GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Funsightful]
Part of being an asshole is not caring what others think.
sanepride said @ 1:02pm GMT on 9th Jul
Perhaps. Not caring what others think is also a good strategy for dealing with assholes. Also works for bullies and trolls.
ComposerNate said @ 2:44pm GMT on 9th Jul
I tried not caring what a long known online bully troll thought and it deadened me inside. Ignoring didn't help, neither did private conversation, so it took steady and openly angry public confrontation. However, random online staining is indeed just bits on the screen, until perhaps a strong pattern realizes from consensus, then niggling at self-evaluation.
arrowhen said @ 11:00pm GMT on 9th Jul
Insensitive jerks who don't care what others think are one kind of asshole, but there are other kinds, too. Your classic internet troll, for example (who might not be an asshole, but probably is), cares very much what others think; you kind of have when you're trying to manipulate someone into a specific reaction.
bltrocker said @ 12:27am GMT on 10th Jul
I don't like it because I identify with it and think it could be super useful to the people here, I like it because I can grok a little bit better what growing up as a woman can feel like in contemporary society.
arrowhen said @ 2:32am GMT on 10th Jul
If it had been an undercover video of her innocently walking down the street minding her own business while people recoiled in horror from her slightly spotty face, you might have a point. What she did was ask a hundred thousand random internet strangers what they thought of her face, and was shocked, shocked to find that some of those people were jerks.

You didn't learn a little about what it's like to be a contemporary woman, you learned a little about what it's like to be a clueless attention whore.
ComposerNate said @ 8:35am GMT on 10th Jul
This posted video alone now has 10,530,305 views in the last nine days. That's a remarkable achievement, yes? I've never made anything which will get 10,530,305 views, perhaps even my son during his lifetime. However you wish to label, consider or slander this, it undeniably has value. It's that value we are pondering.
arrowhen said[1] @ 9:15am GMT on 10th Jul
Silly me, I was pondering the value of the content, not the number of people who watched it.

You're right, though, that is an impressive number of views. If my calculations are correct, that means it has 14.31% more value than this cat eating a watermelon. But to put things in perspective, it's still 99.56% less valuable than Gangnam Style.
damnit said @ 6:30pm GMT on 10th Jul
If you count click farms valuable, sure.
Ussmak said @ 12:17pm GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
I remember when SE was fun, informative, and not a giant hugbox for insecure pussies who want to cram their own particular political agenda down everyone's throats.
HoZay said @ 5:21pm GMT on 9th Jul [Score:2]
Bring it bro, show these pussies what a good post looks like.
papango said @ 11:12pm GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
SE is what you make it. If you want a different SE you need to post things.
arrowhen said @ 9:34pm GMT on 9th Jul [Score:1 Interesting]
Any time you share your ideas with others, there's a chance someone will respond with ideas of their own, including ones that conflict with yours. It's a messy and inefficient process, because humans are messy and inefficient creatures, but it's a useful process nonetheless: through constant conflict, good ideas grow stronger and bad ideas die out.

The internet is an amazing tool for facilitating the sharing of ideas, but it's a tool built by, and for, human beings and thus using it requires an understanding of human nature. People aren't always reasonable. People aren't always nice. People are sometimes jerks. Anonymity and freedom from social consequences can bring out the worst in people.

When you share an idea with 100,000 anonymous strangers, you're going to hear things you don't like. Some of these things are going to be perfectly reasonable disagreements with your idea (which you SHOULD like, but you don't, because human nature), while others are going to be the things jerks say because they're jerks.

Because you're going to have to expend mental effort in distinguishing between the reasonable arguments and the jerks and in deciding if and how to respond to them, it's probably best, purely from an effort vs. reward standpoint, to subject only your best and most interesting ideas to the scrutiny of that many random internet strangers. For ideas that are trivial, incomplete, of specialized interest, etc., a more appropriate venue for sharing would be friends and family, or a community of like-minded individuals.

If you're both shallow enough that the best and most interesting idea you can think of to share is "LOOK AT ME AND TELL ME I'M PRETTY!" and self-centered enough to think that The Entire Internet wants to see you, fuck off. You DESERVE to feel bad about yourself.
bltrocker said @ 12:24am GMT on 10th Jul
I may be misinterpreting your opinion of this video, but I think you're not seeing it for what it is. It's not that she's craving positive attention, but more a look at what a hypocritical society demands from a woman in public. Like I said, it's a bit trite e.g. "you're beautiful no matter what", and of course you'll find trolls no matter where you go, but I still found it interesting.
sanepride said @ 1:51am GMT on 10th Jul
I think one problem here is that you're taking this video at face value. But the very things you note about it- the triteness and how 'well done' it is- the slickness, make me rather dubious of its intent. I watched it and thought 'OK, here are some people out to get some attention'. Of course, maybe its my cynicism, y'know, from spending so much time on the internet.
arrowhen said @ 2:33am GMT on 10th Jul
"Everyone is beautiful. Come read my blog about makeup, tee hee!"
arrowhen said @ 2:20am GMT on 10th Jul
I think you're giving her way too much credit. This isn't some high-minded social commentary, it's a piece by a "beauty and lifestyle" blogger specifically about comments she's received about pictures of her face on social media. Is society too obsessed with, and critical of, womens' appearances? Of course it is. But that's not really her point -- and if it is, it's an awfully hypocritical one, since she runs a fucking makeup blog, which makes her literally part of the problem.

Her real point is just the same tired brand of "social media is full of mean meanies" that attention whores always whine about when they fail to get exactly the kind of attention they think they deserve.
bltrocker said[1] @ 3:42am GMT on 10th Jul
How is it part of the problem to like and review makeup? I'd say it looks like you're being more of the problem, implying she's an attention whore because her hobby is makeup tutorials.

Also, it is possible to make a salient point while at the same time having bought into the negative aspects of beauty.
arrowhen said @ 5:26am GMT on 10th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
She's part of the problem because she actively supports an industry that profits from women feeling insecure about their looks.
bltrocker said @ 2:13pm GMT on 10th Jul
Just like the 99% of young American women? Is every woman that wears makeup and doesn't like to be harassed based on their looks a complete hypocrite to you?

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