Tuesday, 5 July 2016

The FBI recommends not to indict Hillary Clinton for email misconduct

quote [ NONE OF THESE EMAILS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON ANY KIND OF UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM ]

Not surprising, especially after Lynch said she would go along with whatever recommendation the FBI makes.
[SFW] [politics] [+10 Informative]
[by shiftace@5:56pmGMT]

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HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 6:11pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:3 Insightful]
Put it this way: If no one can go to jail for starting a war based on lies, war profiteering, packing committees with former business buddies, and a whole raft of other conflicts of interest, this isn't going to get anyone fired, let alone arrested.

Assuming there was a criminal offense in there, the Republicans pulled a Mark Furhman by making it a witch hunt. Even some of their own committee members admitted the investigation was personal and political, and even with that level of partisan hate, they couldn't come up with any indictable offenses. They spent more time and money than was spent investigating the JFK Assassination, Watergate, or Whitewater, and they couldn't even manage one charge.

They tried to play a crooked game of poker with marked cards and they still lost. Now that we've seen the tactics involved, no one (who wasn't already convinced of her guilt) is going to trust anything the committee says as true.
sanepride said @ 7:48pm GMT on 5th Jul
Of course this has been the recurring pattern with the Clintons and their political enemies since the '90s. Republicans launch some politically-motivated investigation into some perceived scandal, Bill and/or Hillary end up beating the rap (making their persecutors look like petty fools), further adding to their arrogance which of course leads to doing something stupid (but not necessarily illegal- like the email issue), prompting yet another politically-motivated investigation. It's kind of vicious circle.
coffeejoejava said @ 10:25pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
My faith in the American system is gone. When this bitch can get away with this magnitude of dishonesty and straight up perjury....it cements in my mind that there are two systems of justice in this country and we, the little unwashed masses, are not part of it.

I have friends that were straight up dismissed from service for simple mishandling of classified information on TRAINING EXERCISES. Here she is sending out real world sensitive information over unclassified networks and she gets a pass.

What David Petraus did was NOTHING compared to what has happened.

let you or I do half of what she did. Locked up and key thrown away.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 11:34pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2]
What? It's not like she had her dad send bagmen to her casino to illegally buy high-value poker chips to prop it up and then not go to jail for it.

It's not like she committed fraud with a phony real-estate "university" or anything.
sanepride said @ 1:23am GMT on 6th Jul [Score:3 Insightful]
True, but being a 'bitch' is probably bad enough, at least in the eyes of the pro-Trump demographic.
coffeejoejava said @ 10:16am GMT on 6th Jul
I am not "pro-trump". As a mattter of fact I voted for Ben Carson in the primaries. But you are comparing buying poker chips to keeping national secrets on an unsecured server? Seriously?

Trump is a business man, not a career politician like Hillary. He doesn't run for office, he is still rich and working. Hillary is not in office? She becomes flotsam. She has never held a real job! Hell, she has not driven a car in over 20 years! How the hell do you expect her to talk for the "middle class" when she has NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US??? Trump is just as bad but I guarantee that if any of his employees tried the shit she just got away with.....the words "YOU'RE FIRED" come to mind.

This year is another voting year where I will hold my nose and cast my ballot because both choices suck. No two ways around it, both are equally shitty. And with a Congress that ran on "give us the House and we'll fight for you" promise only to backpedal on every thing they told us?

Fuck it. I am going to immerse myself in baseball! GO ROYALS!!!
sanepride said @ 12:46pm GMT on 6th Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
Just to clarify my statement, I am in no way defending Clinton or her careless email usage. What I'm saying is referring to her as 'this bitch' is inappropriate and unnecessary, for the same reason you probably wouldn't refer to President Obama as 'this nigger'.
But maybe such a distinction is lost on someone who thinks that a career devoted to self-enrichment is somehow more admirable or legitimate than a career in public service.
King Of The Hill said @ 10:24pm GMT on 6th Jul
Clinton's entire career in public service was about self-enrichment as is the case with most politicians.
sanepride said @ 10:50pm GMT on 6th Jul
I think a statement like that could use some citation.
Sure, Hillary's done pretty well with book deals, speeches, etc, but people seeking self-enrichment generally head for the private sector. There's a whole lot of things you could do with a law degree that will bring in a lot more $$ than going into politics.
Fish said @ 2:51am GMT on 11th Jul
Let me google that for you
http://bfy.tw/6gPw
arrowhen said @ 4:00am GMT on 11th Jul
Should have Googled basic fucking html while you were at it.
the circus said @ 11:54pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:1 Interesting]
So wouldn't going after Hillary also mean they'd have to go after Bush?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

Is this worse, better, fundamentally the same?
Menchi said @ 10:53pm GMT on 5th Jul
So special pleading on behalf of Clinton is bad, but special pleading on behalf of Petraus is just dandy? Got it.
InsipidUsername said @ 5:33am GMT on 7th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
General Petraeus admitted improperly removing and retaining highly sensitive information in personal notebooks, which he then gave to Ms. Broadwell. These notebooks contained code words for secret intelligence programs, the identities of covert officers, and information about war strategy and deliberative discussions with the National Security Council.

Ms. Broadwell had no clearance to receive that information.

General Petraeus knew the information he gave her was classified, he knew she wasn't cleared to receive it, and he gave it to her anyway. That was a violation of 18 USC § 798, and he should have been charged with that. Instead, he ended up pleading guilty to 18 USC § 1924.

Petraeus got off light. Others have gone to jail for what he did.

Here's a story on how he managed to skate with only a misdemeanor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-david-petraeus-avoided-felony-charges-and-possible-prison-time/2016/01/25/d77628dc-bfab-11e5-83d4-42e3bceea902_story.html

Nothing that Secretary Clinton did was even close. Everyone with whom she exchanged classified information was cleared to receive that information. The cases aren't remotely comparable.
lilmookieesquire said @ 10:59pm GMT on 5th Jul
Well, she's married to an ex-president, worked for the sitting president, and is probably the next president.

If you work in the FBI, I don't think you want to pick a fight you can't 100% win against the next president. I'd also assume if they had a viable case, there are plenty of people who would jump at the chance to take her down.

Basically I'm also of the mind that, for the large part, the clintons probably don't take a shit without running it past a team of lawyers regarding probability or prosecution first. They really remind of me the Roman political system where you basically have to stay in office until you die to avoid the legal prosecution from your enemies. That, or basically live on a ranch in the middle of nowhere for the rest of your life ala the Bush family.

That said- what was the expression about the wisdom or having the sneaks, thieves and liars on your side?
Kelyn said @ 3:20am GMT on 6th Jul
My understanding is that nothing was classified at the time of sending.
hellboy said[2] @ 4:10pm GMT on 6th Jul
That is incorrect. Comey specifically says otherwise.
tigsnort said @ 6:34am GMT on 6th Jul
Ooh, "bitch". You're showing your hand there.
bbqkink said @ 9:07pm GMT on 6th Jul [Score:1 Informative]
Bernie Sanders' Vs. CNN on FBI, Hillary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmh6W4aPRtc
backSLIDER said @ 6:09pm GMT on 5th Jul
Pass the buck to a small enough fish that his ass is grass if it comes down him and he'll remember who the big fish are. I would have been shocked if they had actually gone after her. You don't bite the hand that feeds you and she wants to give them as much power as they want. Can blam them too much for looking out for their own.
shiftace said @ 6:36pm GMT on 5th Jul
If it went to trial I'm sure key witnesses on the prosecution side would have started waking up dead.
sanepride said @ 9:08pm GMT on 5th Jul
Because the Clintons are ruthless killers after all. Just ask Vince Foster and Chris Stevens.
arrowhen said[1] @ 10:01pm GMT on 5th Jul [Score:2]
And like 40 other people!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Isn't it a little suspicious that all of those mysterious deaths have perfectly reasonable explanations? I mean, what are the odds!
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 11:32pm GMT on 5th Jul
It's even more suspicious that Vince Foster also appears on the Bush Body Count!

All of our presidents have to sacrifice human souls to stay in power. It's kind of like how the God-Emperor works in Warhammer 40K.
raphael_the_turtle said @ 3:40am GMT on 6th Jul
I believe the sacrifices prefer to be called 'Troops.'
knumbknutz said @ 10:23pm GMT on 5th Jul
Well thank god that Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell can now breath a huge sigh of relief. I'm sure they were both really sweating this decision.
tigsnort said @ 6:32am GMT on 6th Jul
Why? I mean I'm sure their private emails contained technically retroactively-classified stuff also, but they'll never be audited.
midden said @ 10:25pm GMT on 5th Jul
I'm curious to know what kind of encryption and authentication they used for her account. I work for a lowly private business NASA sub-contractor, and we have some pretty solid email protection, at least between endpoints that need it.
bbqkink said @ 4:19pm GMT on 6th Jul
And as usual the right overplayed heir hand and continues to do so. For months they have talked about "Hillary for prison" and raised expectations to their base now....

Trump Says AG Lynch Accepted Bribe From Hilary Clinton

Missing taking advantage of the real screw up...I guess i should be grateful...
This looks to blow over in a short period of time into a footnote. The biggest political damage was stepping on the roll out of the Obama endorsement.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 4:53pm GMT on 6th Jul
I think Trump is trying to not only play up his meme of "crooked Hillary," he's also trying to set the stage for claiming that "the rigged system" is out to get him when the eventual verdict on Trump University is handed down.

Never mind that he's gotten away with worse in the past thanks to being connected/rich. Irony is for other people, I guess.

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