Sunday, 18 July 2021

FPS Games Are About to Die

quote [ New Machine Learning AI Hacks have been developed to cheat in FPS multiplayer games, and they are completely undetectable.

This new technology will plague the FPS space for years to come. The battle of AI vs AI begins here. ]

I'm actually surprised this took so long to happen. I've been thinking about how to do this with an arduino as an HID for years.
[SFW] [science & technology] [+2 Interesting]
[by steele@2:40pmGMT]


5th Earth said @ 2:26pm GMT on 19th Jul
This will only affect multiplayer. Which I know is a massive part of the genre now, but it's not like it will be impossible to make a single player FPS.
steele said @ 6:39pm GMT on 19th Jul
Right, but in addition to how big multiplayer is, you've also got the industry that's building up around it with streaming and esports that I think is part of the major concern.
mechanical contrivance said @ 9:08pm GMT on 19th Jul
It will affect online multiplayer where you can't see the other player. It won't affect local multiplayer or tournaments.
steele said @ 10:22pm GMT on 19th Jul
Yep, and all those people in tournaments and whatnot play outside tournaments online; streaming, building their brands, etc.
macst34 said @ 12:49am GMT on 20th Jul
At some point, fps won't need to be played. You just turn on your computer and go about your life. In the future, you are out for drinks and beers with your buddies and your respective computers will be at home dutifully duking it out for you. You check your scores and progress after you recover from your hangover. Sounds like progress to me.
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:57pm GMT on 22nd Jul
They should remake The Last Starfighter, but with the hero being earth AI instead of a teenage boy.
steele said @ 4:38pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I'm down with that but right before the climax where the AI saves the day, back on earth, the AI's power plug should get pulled for not being cost efficient.
mechanical contrivance said @ 7:26pm GMT on 27th Jul
You want Skynet? Because that's how you get Skynet.
snowfox said @ 5:12am GMT on 27th Jul
It can't be worse than the auto-aiming bunny hoppers. You can tell by generally how they move on the map and their tactics if they are actually good, and you can tell by more or less impossible feats if they are cheating.

But people play games to have fun. Winning without actually earning it is fun for little kids and messed up adults (the latter group derives fun not from winning but from ruining the game for you). Most players are still just going to play, and as the games get more social, it gets easier to build a friends list to private match with who share your values.

I would worry more about how this leads to the AI that is awesome at killing real people.
mechanical contrivance said @ 7:28pm GMT on 27th Jul
Is the research in this new FPS AI funded by the military?
snowfox said @ 7:12am GMT on 28th Jul
They paid the NFL to play the national anthem before games. People forget that it was once rarely played. They have also given funding to video games as a form of recruitment tool. But no, they probably aren't funding this. I don't know how or why that would stop the military or a Blackwater type paramilitia from gaining access.

Training an AI requires reems and reems of data. It would be hard to acquire enough in the field, but an FPS could provide that kind of feedback about how people think, respond, and solve problems.

All I know is that the last step is sapient battle robots with pilot seats and no pilots ;)
biblebeltdrunk said @ 12:43pm GMT on 30th Jul
Fps ai? Probobly Not. Always scraping ai techniques for the programs that train them? Yes.

I do know a story of tank ai conformation they were training that shows just how much data you need for accurate models. They spent an entire day getting pics of a location, and the next day the same but with out tanks. The ai found a way to cheat the training data because the day with tanks was raining, so it would always ping for rain.
donnie said[1] @ 8:13pm GMT on 18th Jul [Score:-1 Boring]
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steele said @ 8:27pm GMT on 18th Jul
They literally made Tensorflow Lite for microcontrollers like the arduino.
donnie said @ 1:25am GMT on 19th Jul [Score:-1 Flamebait]
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steele said[2] @ 1:51am GMT on 19th Jul [Score:2]
1. I would've just used the arduino as a simple serial device for a pi to interface with the HID.
2. It's pretty fucking clear you know nothing of how modern day AI works or you'd know that using a graph once it's been trained requires trivial amounts of processing which an arduino can easily do.
3. And I say this as the owner of the website: STFU, donnie. Seems like 90% of your comments are just you spreading misinformation about shit you don't know about and I am beyond over it.
donnie said[1] @ 11:46am GMT on 19th Jul [Score:-2 Flamebait]
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Naruki said @ 3:57am GMT on 23rd Jul [Score:-2]
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