Tuesday, 19 November 2019
quote [ Two federal workers who were on duty the night Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail were charged on Tuesday with failing to check on him every half-hour as they were supposed to and then lying about it on prison documents.
The two federal Bureau of Prisons employees, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, were expected to appear in United States District Court in Manhattan to face charges including conspiracy and making false records. ] Full article in extended to avoid the wall...
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Dienes said @ 11:52pm GMT on 19th Nov
[Score:2 Underrated]
I've worked in enough clinics, hospitals, and treatment centers to find staff blowing off a lifesaving job to surf the internet 100% believable.
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spaceloaf said @ 12:38am GMT on 20th Nov
Yeah, my partner's first job was being a nurse in prison, and the staff are not what you would call the cream of the crop.
She got a monthly magazine and there was a whole section dedicated to reporting people who got their licenses revoked for stealing drugs, distributing contraband to prisoners, getting sexually involved with prisoners or other staff, etc. There were dozens every single month. Basically half the staff was probably involved in some sort of illegal activity at any one time. Needless to say she got the hell out of there as soon as she could. |
steele said @ 12:22am GMT on 20th Nov
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rylex said @ 3:27am GMT on 20th Nov
[Score:1 Classy Pr0n]
plot twist.
epstein didn't intend to kill himself. he paid the guards to go away for awhile so he could rub one out. he went out like david carradine |
damnit said @ 8:19am GMT on 20th Nov
The multiple broken neck bones and the hyoid doesn't checks out.
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snowfox said[1] @ 2:36pm GMT on 20th Nov
[Score:1 Insightful]
I've been trying to research that, and while it's more common with a murder strangulation, enough to raise questions, it doesn't seem to be so much more common that it precludes suicide strangulation. I have been trying to find more information on which bones were broken and how broken. Fracturing the hyoid can be caused even by induced vomiting, so degree matters.
I've also been trying to find info on Epstein's weight to see if maybe we could calculate the force generated by a sheet and his own mass over a small vertical distance. From my understanding, the standard of dropping people 5-9ft in a hanging execution was to be absolutely sure it would break the neck at the C2 vertebra by severing the transverse ligament. That doesn't mean it can't happen at a shorter distance, and people being much heavier now than when the distance was set would also matter. Dropping 1ft doesn't ensure you'd break your neck, but probably doesn't mean it's impossible. Before discussing motives or possible alternate methods, it would be best to figure out if the injuries Epstein sustained are truly impossible via the proposed cause of death. |
throatstabber said @ 10:33pm GMT on 20th Nov
I'd be interested to see how someone managed to fashion a noose out of a bed sheet.
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snowfox said @ 2:03am GMT on 21st Nov
Same way you make a bed sheet rope to get out a window. If you twist the sheet, it makes a fine rope, and you don't need a lot of length if you're going for asphyxiation. It's not like you can achieve a drop greater than the height of the bed frame in a cell anyway.
There's a reason people on suicide watch don't get cloth sheets or clothes, or even shoe-laces. A determined person can hurt themselves or others with a lot of things. |
rylex said @ 5:59pm GMT on 20th Nov
[Score:-1 Flamebait]
filtered comment under your threshold |
mechanical contrivance said @ 6:01pm GMT on 20th Nov
Let's kill all the bad people.
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throatstabber said @ 10:32pm GMT on 20th Nov
Weird that you would give a person bed sheets after he tried to kill himself with bed sheets. Plus, it doesn't take 30 minutes to take a sheet off a bed and fashion it into a noose.
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snowfox said @ 2:06am GMT on 21st Nov
He was on suicide watch for 24 hours. After that 24 hours there's supposed to be a cell mate and increased monitoring, but they don't take away your clothes and sheets for very long. They had not replaced his cell mate and failed to do the checks, but evidently the failed checks were common in that prison and the guards who were supposed to do it were working multiple shifts and the prison was understaffed.
I am not saying for sure he was not murdered, just that it isn't the only possibility. It is also entirely plausible someone facing the sort of consequences he was facing would kill himself. Do you know what prisoners do to pedophiles? There's a hierarchy in prison, and it is open season on people who hurt children, especially that way. |
snowfox said @ 2:36pm GMT on 21st Nov
The #1 theory in the "Epstein was murdered" camp is that the Clintons did it... Does this sound plausible to anyone?
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mechanical contrivance said @ 3:04pm GMT on 21st Nov
[Score:1 Funny]
Yes, gullible people.
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