Thursday, 17 October 2019

How Bernie won a prized endorsement from his hospital bed

quote [ The endorsements and a strong debate performance Tuesday night breathed new life into Sanders’ campaign after weeks of internal anxiety. “You know, to quote one of my favorite rappers LL Cool J, ‘Don’t call it a comeback, I’ve been here for years,’” said Nina Turner, a co-chair of the Sanders campaign. ]

The Bernie Starter Kit

358 - World on a Wire feat. Naomi Klein - the boys over at Chapo Trap House did an amazing interview with Naomi Klein on her new book "On Fire: The (Burning) Case for a Green New Deal", it really gets to the heart of why past efforts like the Paris Agreement have failed, what a Green New Deal must entail in order to make an impact that can save humanity from extinction, and I'll let you guess the only presidential candidate with a GND following those guidelines.

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[by steele@2:10pmGMT]


steele said @ 6:38pm GMT on 18th Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
knumbknutz said[1] @ 2:42pm GMT on 19th Oct
I had to turn off that abortion of a debate the other night because of Joe Biden. That worthless POS went so fucking geezer at one point, I half expected him to bust out a cane and try to chase all those damn kids off of his yard.

He's always been like that nutty uncle that the doctors just haven't quite gotten the doses right on his psych-meds. At one point he told everyone that he single handily got the ACA passed, and then started screaming at Warren about the great economy that he handed trump in 2016.
steele said @ 5:47pm GMT on 19th Oct
Seriously. Why is no one stopping this train wreck?

steele said @ 2:23pm GMT on 17th Oct
steele said[1] @ 7:16pm GMT on 17th Oct
mechavolt said @ 9:01pm GMT on 17th Oct
I'm a Warren supporter, but I'll get behind anything that pushes the party to the left. Sanders has done a lot for progressive politics. I just hope that Warren/Sanders don't try to eat each other leaving us with someone like Biden or Klobuchar.
steele said @ 11:57pm GMT on 17th Oct [Score:1 Underrated]
I'm actually pretty happy Bernie's finally drawing a line in the sand and distinguishing himself from Warren's love of capitalism. She lost major points from me with her behavior in 2016, and now watching her waffle on Medicare for All repeatedly has forced me to accept I was wrong about her. Years ago she said, "I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets. I think that is not true anymore etc etc" and looking back that explains a lot of her behavior. I think that at her core that's just where her politics sit. She'll push for people-friendly capitalism because that's what she thinks is best for the market, but I don't trust her to push against the market simply for the sake of the people.
spaceloaf said @ 4:11am GMT on 18th Oct

I came into this election cycle thinking I don't care as long as its Warren or Bernie. But Warren is continually showing that she's not actually as progressive as the media would want you to think.

I think Bernie and Yang are the only two candidates that are uncompromised at this point. I don't agree with all of Yang's politics, so that really only leaves Bernie.
steele said @ 6:37pm GMT on 18th Oct
Same on Warren. The plans with unnecessary means testing, M4A inconsistencies, the WFP endorsement shenanigans, finding out her daughter is in the healthcare industry, her funding her campaign using corporate money from her Senate run while claiming to be small donor only and then going back and forth on whether she'll take corporate funds in the general... I went from seeing her as an imperfect back up plan to someone I'm very wary of.

Yang, to me, is dangerous. His UBI is probably the worst serious one I've come across, a wrecking ball for social safety nets. If Bernie doesn't win, I could see a version of UBI being rolled out in the next decade or so that doesn't hold the rich accountable in any way. Hell, darkest timeline, Silicon Valley crypto UBI. Neo corporate scrip... My hope is Bernie wins and before his first term is up they start floating the idea of Social Security 4 All; A UBI that instead of phasing out the social safety nets in exchange for cash, strengthens their functions while drawing funding from the wealthy. I'm probably a broken record on this in addition to my rants about Dark Money, but Paul Mason's Post-Capitalism floated a price controlled UBI dynamic I liked that was tied into a GND that built a safety net that allowed a lot of the bullshit jobs to go away to bring our emissions down as quickly as possible.
mechavolt said @ 2:23pm GMT on 18th Oct
Oh, Warren is definitely a capitalist. But one of the things I like about her is her ability to look at facts and admit she was wrong. She was wrong about fiscal policy until she saw what it was doing to people on the ground, then changed her views. I disagree with your last sentence because of this. It was true once, but hasn't been for a long time now.
steele said @ 6:09pm GMT on 18th Oct
See, and I think your first sentence directly conflicts with your last sentence. Capitalism is extinction. On our current trajectory, maintaining current emissions, a 2 degree increase is pretty much locked in and we'll see it by 2050. Famines, fires, floods, dogs and cats living together, GIANT TWINKIES, etc. But capitalism isn't going to allow that, we're gonna shoot right past that because even Warren's GND is still not going to put a damper on emissions, on the imperialist/economic addiction to growth. ... If I was a betting man, my money would be on at least 4 degrees by 2050, and that's not even hyperbolic, that's still a horrifying possibility if we maintain our current emissions output and positive feedback loops come into play.

I just read something the other day that I can't freaking remember who said but I really thought it summed up the first world mindset and how we're just not taking global warming seriously while other countries are frying and flooding: We're already living in the apocalypse, it just hasn't reached us yet.
Hugh E. said @ 7:55pm GMT on 18th Oct
Warren: I'm a capitalist.
Sanders: Warren is a capitalist.
Dienes said @ 12:07pm GMT on 19th Oct
I still think that Warren is perhaps the most science-literate and science-forward of the candidates, but I find myself leaning more towards Bernie again as well.
spaceloaf said @ 4:07am GMT on 18th Oct
I'm proud of AOC to stick to policy substance here.

The entire Justice Democrat movement (of which she is a member) was inspired/founded from Bernie Sander's 2016 campaign. It would have been very disingenuous to see her suddenly pivot to Warren just for political gain.

As it is, she is showing that she will stick up for her real beliefs rather than compromise them for short-term political gain.
steele said @ 6:15pm GMT on 18th Oct
Reading the main article, and given the timing, I think it was never a question for her as to whether or not she was going to endorse Sanders. But, I sure as hell had my doubts. I'm glad I was wrong though. She's just very hard to read because she's not quite hard left, her twitter likes are mess, she doesn't always have the best first responses to drama... Like that whole business when Omar was being attacked with bad faith claims of antisemitism... But fuck, I'm so freaking glad they endorsed now and I'm looking forward their campaigning in the future.
steele said @ 6:39pm GMT on 18th Oct
steele said @ 6:40pm GMT on 18th Oct
Dienes said @ 12:05pm GMT on 19th Oct
steele said @ 5:43pm GMT on 19th Oct
snowfox said @ 8:15pm GMT on 20th Oct
What difference does the AOC endorsement make? The overlap between her supporters and his existing base must be tremendous, so I doubt he gained anyone he didn't already have.
steele said @ 9:08pm GMT on 20th Oct
snowfox said @ 6:02am GMT on 21st Oct
I'm not sure if you understood my question. What difference does her endorsement make if the people who care about it already would have been Bernie supporters? I don't think it would have widened his voter base.

AOC is highly literate in social media, but so are Bernie followers because of it being a young block, so I don't think she confers an advantage on that front he didn't already possess either.
steele said @ 1:00pm GMT on 21st Oct [Score:1 Informative]
No, I got what you were asking, and the large number of Warren/AOC fans currently shitting themselves indicate her fans constitute more than you realize. Her and The Squad were media darlings of the #resistance; Many of which are not part of Bernie's base.
steele said @ 9:09pm GMT on 20th Oct

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