Tuesday, 3 September 2019

Tory MP defects ahead of crucial Brexit vote

quote [ His defection means that Boris Johnson no longer has a working majority in the Commons.
He said the government was "pursuing a damaging Brexit in unprincipled ways.. putting lives and livelihoods at risk." ]

Is it over yet?
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cb361 said @ 4:48pm GMT on 3rd Sep [Score:2]
I can't be bothered with the tawdry, borderline-xenophobic political goings-on in some damp, insular second-and-a-half world country on the edge of the civilised world.

Which is kind of unfortunate as it happens...
moriati said @ 4:53pm GMT on 3rd Sep [Score:2]
cb361 said @ 7:54am GMT on 4th Sep [Score:1 Good]
And now he has lost control of Parliament.

The first time I saw Boris Johnson was on Have I Got News For you, saying that somebody had shouted "Tory Tosser!" at him on the street, when he cycled past with his mobile-phone to his ear. He played the upper-class buffoon role very well on television, but last night was much funnier.
rndmnmbr said @ 7:56pm GMT on 3rd Sep
I wonder how much longer it will take for Britain to realize it really doesn't want Brexit, and put it to vote again. Assuming the EU doesn't go "no backsies!"
moriati said @ 9:05pm GMT on 3rd Sep
Or "pas de reprise"
BUGGERLUGS123 said @ 9:27pm GMT on 3rd Sep
What you fail to understand is the MP's (who all voted to leave following the referendum result) are the only ones who don't want to leave. The vast majority of the country does want too, immediately with or without a deal.

The only coup here is the one created by MP's who have second jobs in europe who know they're on to a good thing and regardless of how they're constituents voted they're going against the decision.

Democracy is upholding the referendum, sadly the PM has to take this stance because of the treasonous MP's not listening to the people.

To subvert us leaving on 31st October for any reason is the real coup.
ComposerNate said[1] @ 9:35pm GMT on 3rd Sep [Score:2 Informative]
If there was a referendum tomorrow with the option of leaving the EU without a deal or remaining in the EU, which would you support? (link)

AUG12 2019 data from Great Britain, United Kingdom
45% Remaining in the EU
36% Leaving the EU without a deal
19% Don't know
cb361 said @ 9:45pm GMT on 3rd Sep [Score:1 Underrated]
Blah blah blah. We're still leaving the EU. Just not the No Deal exit for which there was never a democratic mandate.
Hugh E. said @ 11:50pm GMT on 3rd Sep
The question should never have been asked without a plan to execute leaving as part of the proposition. The referendum should have been on The Plan To Leave or Stay. (Yes, just leave is also a plan)
cb361 said @ 8:08am GMT on 4th Sep [Score:3]
I don't suppose anybody at the time thought there was any possibility of a Leave result. It was just David Camerons way to head off the threat from UKIP. Now there's a guy who fucked-up big time. The result was devastating, but at the time I assumed we would quietly change to one of those independent countries with strong links to the EU, like Norway. The anti-Europeans were further emboldened though, and no faction has enough power to force the issue. Which is why we're in political deadlock. So yes. A second referrendum seems the only way to break that.
conception said @ 4:29pm GMT on 5th Sep
> The vast majority of the country does want too, immediately with or without a deal.

Please cite.

ComposerNate said @ 9:29pm GMT on 3rd Sep
What's best for Putin?
steele said @ 11:54pm GMT on 3rd Sep
Pretty sure it's not Vladimir Putin privatizing the NHS and implementing austerity programs.
ComposerNate said @ 8:41am GMT on 4th Sep
When there's a destructive element already in power, why wouldn't Putin make certain they get enough funding and step back? That's his MO.
steele said @ 10:59am GMT on 4th Sep
That's rich people's MO. You're at a picnic overrun with ants and you're pointing out a single one with a magnifying glass.
ComposerNate said[2] @ 1:08pm GMT on 4th Sep
The wealthiest person with also the most dedication toward splitting apart NATO and the EU and decades of training and experience and contacts and full governmental services to make it happen. Find another person with necessarily lesser wealth though similar interests and they've likely been in contact to align with Putin.
steele said @ 1:28pm GMT on 4th Sep
You are ignoring a systemic issue while chasing the image of a supervillian created by media owned by the same rich people you're ignoring. Vladimir Putin didn't spend millions if not billions pushing neoliberal economics in colleges and schools across the western world, he didn't force our governments to privatize every facet of public works the rich could sink their greedy paws into, he didn't wage a propaganda war against unions for more than half a century, he's not the reason people are going bankrupt over health care costs. Is he an asshole influencing government and public opinion? Sure. But he's taking advantage of a situation, he didn't produce it. And focusing on him as a boogieman only ensures that exploitable situation will continue to exist.
ComposerNate said @ 1:54pm GMT on 4th Sep
My concern here is the splitting of NATO and the EU, Putin acting as signal booster and longtime proponent toward that goal. All else you mentioned as something Putin was uninvolved with is beyond my focus, I believe beyond Putin's focus, and that of the Brexit topic. It is clearly your focus, for which I offer no disabusing.

As for Boris Johnson's efforts toward a no-deal Brexit, we should be certain Putin is supportive, though there remains question as to Johnson's acknowledgement of, or intentional service toward, that support.

A supervillain is a fictional villain with superhuman powers. A boogeyman is a mythical creature used by adults to frighten children into good behavior.
steele said @ 4:45pm GMT on 4th Sep
The EU is neoliberal, its instability is guaranteed at this point. Ignore that if you like, but in the future I think you'll find it was related to your concerns after all.
quaint said @ 7:12am GMT on 7th Sep [Score:-1 Boring]
filtered comment under your threshold
cb361 said @ 6:05pm GMT on 4th Sep
ethanos said @ 6:32pm GMT on 4th Sep
Who is this Brexit everybody keeps talking about?

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