Wait, so you're saying the National Rifle Association might have illegally cut a deal with an oppressive foreign government? That seems totally out of character for an organization run by [checks notes] Oliver North

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I wonder how many of these people are NRA members...I'l wait for your answer Fish.

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We’re getting to the point where we’re going to have to start asking white people (with Russian sympathies) for their papers to make sure they’re actually from here and TRUE™ Americans.

I’m looking at you norok, Fish, and 0000. Let’s see you pony up those birth certificates for us to verify. Make sure you do so in a medical facility though. I’d hate for you to start choking on the irony and not receive proper medical care. ;)

Can we just get a -1 Russian mod to use for them?

Actually, I don't care if they don't get proper medical care. They don't seem to want anybody else that doesn't have bucket loads of money to get proper medical care. Why should I care about them when they want to destroy me and people that think like me?

Fuck 'em. I hope they die in a fire.

Unaffordable and badly implemented is subject to interpretation. Millions now have healthcare. No pre-existing conditions that create an artificial class system. Reich wing propaganda is only focusing on problems and fabricated problems to destroy something that they (you) see as socialism. They don't care that the numbers overall are helping people (just not the "right' people- meaning those that don't hold the same ideological belief). They just don't want to help their fellow citizens. If the USA wanted universal healthcare, it could have it tomorrow. Conservatives will block any means to create a community. They are more interested in a collection of selfish individuals instead of community. Community has propelled humanity into civil, modern life. Conserfucks want to take us back to where people die needlessly because they can't pay for healthcare themselves. Talk about ruthless and refusing to look to the future. Typical. Conservatives want to conserve. Conserve the old way of life, even if it fucks a great deal of people.

Or, you know, it could just be a shitty solution that will create a race to the bottom.

This is coming from a co-worker who focuses on health industry fraud (paraphrasing): “Tell them that you do NOT want to deregulate this industry. If anything we should be regulating it MORE. Bunch of slimy, no good, snakes who are gutting the poor, middle class, and the rich because they have control of an inelastic good. The industry has become so complex that if you spent a lifetime investigating it and researching you’d understand HALF of what’s going on. And they expect legislators and the voting class to come up with a solution? Fuck it, pass single payer and be done with it (to be clear, he’s not a fan of SP). Once the government becomes the regulatory authority the new industry created wouldn’t dare commit the fraud it does now. Ramble ramble ramble, 500 dollar tylenol pill in hospitals, etc.”

And that’s from a conservative.

I’ve said it before, we’re the richest nation in the world. It’s not economics holding us back. It’s fucking assholes who are SCARED TO DEATH that their brother, their countryman, might be subjectively getting more than they “deserve”.

Obamacare is shitty, because it's basically Romneycare except with protection for pre-existing conditions. And Romneycare was shitty because it was a Republican-backed middle-class tax hike aimed at derailing any move towards single payer.

Socialized medicine isn't just better for people, it also makes a lot more economic sense - the cost per capita is lower everywhere that has socialized health care. Medicare has a fraction of the overhead of private health insurance, and the American system is so expensive in part because of all the inefficiency. The other part is the fact that the health industry is for profit so they by definition have to inflate costs (otherwise, no profit). Healthcare should be non-profit, period, because any for-profit coverage has a massive conflict of interest.

The ACA might be shitty, but it was the first step in the right direction. It was what could actually pass as legislation, albeit with conservative consternation.

The ACA is not shitty. It has saved untold lives, it has allowed poor people to Dr.s some for the first time in years out side an emergency room, it i also prolonging lives at the same time. It allowed people with preexisting conditions not to be handed a death sentence, it mandated insurance companies to put minimum amounts into their pockets and spend the rest on patient care. It is despite the billions of dollar that the profit hungry spent trying to kill it , is still working!!!

Did it have some problems..yes, just like any other new major government program it needed to be adjusted...but every time some one tried they GOP tried to kill it, so it just stood as passed.

And to listen to rich people complain about rates going higher falls on deaf ears. The blocked Medicaid expansion, blocked mandates, and several other things designed to bring down cost. Not only that the gutted system that is left is still far better than what we had...and despite their efforts has slowed the increase of rates.

Tired of the propaganda the ACA was the best thing to happen to public health since medicare...

It's an improvement on both Romneycare and what was in place before, because of the protection for pre-existing conditions and the expanded risk pool (it was cheaper than COBRA, at least at the start). But it's still shitty because (and this part is based on what I've read and not my own direct assessment) my understanding is that the way the law is set up is such an array of interdependent compromises in order to get it passed that it's difficult or impossible to amend it without causing it to fall apart. It can't evolve into single payer or anything else, really, it's a (pardon the expression) giant band-aid.

We don't know what could have passed if Obama had not made a Faustian deal with the pharmaeutical companies before the debate even started.

It's an improvement on both Romneycare and what was in place before

So its better but shitty? It saved lives but that is shitty too. What it is is the best healthcare system the United States has ...EVER... had and much better than any one we will have for the foreseeable future.

the way the law is set up is such an array of interdependent compromises in order to get it passed that it's difficult or impossible to amend it without causing it to fall apart.

Wrong.

It could be easily amended if one of the parties wasn't trying to amend it with an axe.

It can't evolve into single payer or anything else,

Wrong again. All you have to do is establish a single payer system as a side...we could say call it a "public option". Let it run until people see that the government run insurance can work better. Which is a little counter intuitive seeing as 1/3 of our healthcare is already government run.

You don't have to outlaw private health insurance just give people the option of quality healthcare at a lower price.

The pharmaceutical companies are an entirely different problem. Yes the are the biggest driver of cost and are in great need of regulation...it would be easy because we not only pay for 90 % of their development cost we are their consumers..but there is no will to do anything to kill the golden goose.

Just because something is better doesn't mean it's good. Being poked in the eye is better than having your head cut off, right?

Establishing single payer would be a replacement for Obamacare, not an evolution of it. Obamacare is a balancing act of risk pools, pre-existing conditions, subsidized plans, and so forth. Even if the Democrats controlled everything it's not a good base for moving forward because as long as the for-profit industry is in the picture there will be too many compromises. Things won't get significantly better unless Obamacare is replaced, which is why people are pushing to just expand Medicare. And that's difficult to impossible given the healthcare industry's entrenched self-interest and the US's system of institutionalized bribery.

Just because something is better doesn't mean it's good.

Did you miss the fact that it has saved countless lives? I would say that is good.

Did you miss the part that said it is the best healthcare system we have ever in the 200 + years of our country..would say that is good also.

You are making the same bad choice that many made in the 2016 it wasn't a choice of Hillary Clinton and FDR it was a choice of Clinton or Trump. In this case of the ACA and Single payer it was a choice of the ACA and more dead people.

You act like just because you have a better idea it can magically happen if you turn your back on what you can do. We are doing good to keep the ACA or at least part of it.

I've got news for you if we lose the ACA it doesn't get replaced people just die...just like they did before it. There is no votes for MFA...we were lucky to get what we got..it took 60 years to get that. every president from FDR on tried to get some kind of healthcare passed.

Yes we need a better system, but if you keep buying into the Republican rhetoric ...ACA BAD...you are not going to get a better system you just lose what it took generations to get.

And before you burn down the house that you have you might want to build a new one and this is what you are going to have to work with.



Poll: only 28 percent of young voters say they will certainly vote in the 2018 midterms
Millennials are pretty reliable Democrats, but unreliable voters.

Better not count your chickens.

Here is what you have to work with NOW

Exclusive: Over 60 House Democrats are forming a Medicare for All Caucus

Going to need more than this...but it is a start.

Get this number up in the neighborhood of 200 and then you can change horses...until then hang on to what little you got it is better than what they want you to have.

This gets into this story and ties the separate investigation together.

Time for Americans to face 'worst case scenario' on Trump

Anything you say Comrade. Like I would take advice from a traitor like you.

I imagine that this reduced the mean average batshit quotient of NRA members by a tiny amount.

Not until the amount of money is more fleshed out.

So if we actually go to war with Russia, what do you guys expect the end result to be?

Because for the last 2 years, the left sure has been doing a lot of sabre rattling that doesn't make much sense.

I think they just want to get back to proper proxy wars. That is were the real money is anyway. If we don't have a clear "covert" war then how can we do shady bullshit that costs a lot of money in the right hands?

Nobody wants to go to war with Russia...there are other ways to deal with them. We would like to get the Russian asset out of the white house though.

Stop buying into the bullshit Russia is # 30 as a Trading partner to the US it has the GDP the same as the State of New York...they are not important in any way to the US. They are a threat to people in their region as a military power.

This phony trade talk by Trump is just another lie.

I could give a shit about Russia's trading status among the world when we're talking about the only nation on the planet with the ability to project nuclear devastation on par with our own.

And yes, war with Putin and his regime is the end result of the left's "other ways" to deal with them.

Not a student of history or even the mad ramblings of Trump I see.

Speaking of MAD...

Mutual assured destruction or mutually assured destruction (MAD) is a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two or more opposing sides would cause the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender

Oh and there is no more need to worry about Russian attack on the US before Trump started working for Putin than after. And if anything Putin is more emboldened now than he was before Trump kissed his ass.

Not even a student of Saint Reagan.

I have very complicated feelings about this. I want strong orginizations that are dedicated to protecting our rights and I think that it requires more then just the ACLU and the Freedom Foundation (I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting that are just as important). On the other hand the things the NRA have been doing for the last 15 years hasn't been what I would want. This news shouldn't be an indictment of the NRAs goals but of course it is. The Russians found a weak point in the American culture divide. I donate to the CalGuns legal fund in place of the NRA. I still maintain that the NRA is powerful because they have a lot of members who vote. There is far more money in banks, information and drug lobbies but the voting base of the NRA members is more powerful. I don't think this news will change those voters views on guns, gun laws and politicians gun views. It might weaken the NRA. It might make a long over due breaking into smaller organizations.

NRA, like most of evangelical christianity, has been turned into a money-shoveling arm of the Republican party. They gull their members with lies and scare tactics, and pretend to be protecting the constitution, but they are ok with input from Russian oligarchs. Fuck the NRA.

I think I'd probably be fine if the NRA went back to being what it was at the beginning (except with brown people), ie a gun safety organization, before racist murdering scumbag Harlan Bronson Carter made it what it is today. But it's probably too late for that, especially if it turns out (as seems very possible) that they conspired with Russian intelligence to subvert democracy.

The NRA is an association of gun manufactures to increase the sales of guns...full stop.

I'm fine with the NRA.

I love people that are dedicated to things. They want to be a member of something. They want to belong. They want to be on a list of supporters of a... thing.

I also love the future. So organized. So accessible. So much list-making.

There was much hoopla about this story behind closed doors of several agencies.

Officer safety is of the utmost importance. Knowing what one is going into, and specifically who one is dealing with, is a priority when doing pre-seizure planning. This is true among all LE agencies.

Many people would be upset if they were to lose access to these 'dedicated' Americans contributions throughout history. So a deal was struck.

"The names of donors to these nonprofit groups have not been publicly available, but the organizations were required to disclose contributor information to the IRS on their annual tax returns. These groups generally do not operate as charities, and their donors do not receive tax deductions in exchange for their contributions.

As a result, Mnuchin said the IRS doesn't need their donor information to police tax laws. However, the tax agency still can ask the organizations for details on contributors if additional scrutiny is warranted."

From the journal:

"This revenue procedure does not affect the reporting of contribution information, other than the names and addresses of contributors, required to be reported on Schedule B of Forms 990 and 990-EZ and Part IV of Form 990-BL. Although qualifying organizations no longer must report the names and addresses of donors on their information returns, they must keep the information in their books and transferable records to allow the IRS to examine specific taxpayer-donors."

So we can't change those voters views on guns. However, we're all the safer for them feeling the need to be a part of something.

Oh, and because I would hate for norok, Fish, or 0000 to think that this is just a... 'shot in the dark'

Russia investigators got access to NRA's tax filings, secret donors

Zero dude posts a whole bunch of nothing.

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Who in turn, become as you have become
A fish
No, not even that, but a symbol of fish
Hooked by the baby flesh of maggots
A ripple of life in tin
This tin could become your world too
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What this site needs are real conservatives who can argue the facts. What we have is a bunch of trolls who can only leave a propaganda message that someone has fed them....God I miss the old SE.

Lol, so if you posted something that had numbers in it, we get to dismiss it?

I mean, I guess that’s a logical argument. Please, by all means explain.

She's not as impressive as that woman on Atomic Blonde, or as hot.

She will be, in the mini-series.

Oh right...HBO.

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